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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 12:46 AM
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Fort Worth rancher changes mind on illegal immigrants

By Bob Ray Sanders

bobray@ star-telegram.com

The phone call at home Sunday evening didn't begin with "Hello" or "How are you doing?"

Instead, the caller blurted out, "I've had a change of heart. I've seen the light."

I instantly recognized the voice, and I knew he was not talking about a sudden religious conversion but for the life of me couldn't imagine what he meant.

Mark is my most conservative friend who argues with me about many issues, so he could have been referring to a number of issues.

"It couldn't be the death penalty," I thought, knowing that to my astonishment he had changed his mind on that controversial subject a few years ago.

So I asked what he was talking about.

"I think all illegal immigrants should stay here," he said. "They should not be deported."

I thought he was being facetious because just a few weeks ago, after my column about needed comprehensive immigration reform and passage of the DREAM Act, he went on a tirade about how all illegal immigrants should be rounded up and sent back to wherever they came from. They were hurting our economy, he said.

At that time, he gave me a dissertation on the word "illegal," and how I should not be encouraging or rewarding people who broke the law.

Mark assured me he was serious about his latest stance on immigration and proceeded on a rant about all the "lazy" Americans who were unwilling to work, making it not only desirable but necessary to hire undocumented workers.

"It's a sad state we're living in right now," he said. " will be sitting in front of their TVs in air-conditioning b----ing about Mexicans taking their jobs and about how they're having their unemployment stopped. ... They're hypocrites. They're not going to work."

All the time I'm wondering -- what brought on this epiphany?

Mark, who runs a sizable ranch in southwest Tarrant County, had 1,800 bales of hay that he urgently needed to get into a barn before it rained.

Sudden rain showers had popped up in the area. He'd been watching the radar screen and praying that he could get the hay put up before the rain got there.

He started calling around to hire some hands but was turned down by everyone he contacted, including former high school friends and young extended family members.

No one wanted to work in the 106-degree temperature, he said, even though he was offering to pay $1 a bale. It's been a long time since I've baled hay (at a nickel a bale), but that seemed like a pretty good one-day job offer.

"We have become a nation of lazy slobs," he declared.

"If you run all the Mexicans out of here, somebody will have to do the job."

He added, "The white boys are not going to do it. The black guys are not going to work. But in the same breath they complain about Mexicans taking their jobs. They are lazy, spoiled, fat hypocrites. ... If the black people and white people want to starve to death, run the Mexicans out."

Continuing his sermon, he said, "They don't have a job; don't want a job, but they justify that by blaming the Mexicans."

He then gave a long list of agricultural industries that would go out of business if illegal immigrants were suddenly deported, including dairies, slaughterhouses and the poultry farms.

"There would be no Kentucky Fried Chicken," he said.

When I was talking to him Sunday night, Mark said he was still "hoping and praying it don't rain," because he had solved his labor problem for collecting the hay bales the next day.

"I went out and got four wet-- uh -- undocumented workers, and they'll be there at 6 o'clock in the morning," he said.

He agreed to pay them each $100 a day and provide lunch.

His prayer about the rain was answered. The workers got half the bales put up Monday and finished the job Tuesday. Before they were done, another area ranch foreman hired them to do the same thing on his property.

One of my prayers was answered as well because one more person now understands the impracticality, and sheer economic impact to the country, of trying to deport every illegal immigrant.

Mark's story speaks again to the need for comprehensive immigration reform, but until members of Congress are faced with trying to store 2,000 bales of hay before a rainstorm, I doubt we'll see such legislation anytime soon.



Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/07/20/2349238/fort-worth-rancher-changes-mind.html#ixzz0uIDq8eRm
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 12:49 AM
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1. wonderful that Mark "saw the light"
but it's for all the wrong reasons
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 12:57 AM
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3. Gotta start somewhere
:shrug: and it's a damn sight better than his previous position.
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 12:55 AM
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2. Finding anyone to work on a farm is nearly impossible
and most of the labor required is skilled. The worker has to have quite a bit of knowledge about plants, soil and machinery- things that most people who grow up playing video games cannot hope to learn.

The issue is very complex and it is not that normal American are lazy. it is that farm work is regarded as slavery and above everyone and when they give it a try it is devastatingly exhausting.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 01:16 AM
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4. If we limited unemployment would these positions have been filled?
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 01:28 AM
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6. if jobs offered a livable wage
would they be filled?

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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 10:05 AM
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8. Any wage would be a livable wage for the desperate and hungry n/t
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 12:01 PM
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10. a livable wage
is considered one that can provide basic needs. There are too many jobs out there that don't pay enough to do that. Minimum wage is $7.25/hour and IF a person has a 40 hour workweek that is approx. $1000.00/month after SS taxes. Depending on the circumstances that could allow a person to cover rent, food, expenses related to getting to work, etc. But it sometimes isn't enough and especially if that amount has to support more than one person. To say that any wage is a livable wage to a desperate person is not at all accurate.
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:51 PM
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16. Not if you have to have a car and drive 40 minutes to get to work
and then have to be physically strong and for 10 hrs/day in 110 f weather.

Ag work requires a strong healthy person.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 07:09 PM
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11. $100 a day sounds livable.
Still no takers.
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:49 PM
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15. No, because very few people actually have the skills required
despite all the talk about it being so unskilled.

Plus one works 60 hrs before any overtime kicks in and the work is really physically hard. And often remote requiring long drives to get to work.

Until people get paid overtime for over 40 hrs/wk and there is mandatory shade for break times I do not see this situation changing.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 01:27 AM
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5. how much do you pay for brocolli?
in australia it was $9 a lb a few years ago. amerikkkans are stupid. how did they get into america? when were they wetbacks?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 10:12 AM
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9. 0.90 cents
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Fruittree Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 04:29 AM
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7. His change of heart is definitely good but I disagree ..
that all Americans are lazy. It's simply not true...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 10:58 PM
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12. Smells fake to me.
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enuegii Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 04:15 AM
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13. So he offered $1 per bale for 1800 bales, with no takers,
but "got four wet-- uh -- undocumented workers" to do it for $100 per day plus lunch. I'm assuming that he needed to have the hay in the barn in one day, so he's out $400 plus four lunches, instead of $1800. Unless the lunches were catered by a Michelin three-star restaurant, he saved a bundle-- and screwed the workers.

He is right about it being hard to get anyone to haul hay, though-- but it was that way 35 years ago when I used to do it. In fact, most farmers locally have gone to the large 8' X 8' or so rolls that require tractors to manipulate and transport in order to avoid the issue. And while $1 per bale seems like pretty good money if you're unemployed, it is not steady work. Most farmers would cut and bale hay maybe two or three times a year at irregular intervals, which might be fine for someone like me as a teenager 35 years ago looking for beer and pot money, but it's no way to make a living.

Another thing to consider is that, in the past, this type of work was done by serfs, sharecroppers, slaves or the numerous offspring typical of farm households; in other words, people with little or no choice in the matter. A situation people like "Mark" would love to see again, I figure.
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Edith Ann Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 07:12 AM
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14. Rural workers.
Part of the problem is the Agra workers need to be between the ages of 16-30. The real Americans in that area, in this age group, have moved out of the area and work at service jobs to get through school. Jobs that have air conditioning. At least one Oklahoma farmer in Western Ok has observed this problem. A while ago, after Randy Terrill and his HB1804, 50,000 workers moved out of Ok. There was a meat packing plant that needed workers and the press showed up to prove Americans would take these jobs if Hispanics were gone. They had a picture of a line of applicants around the building. However, the press didn't show up when the workers all quit because they didn't want to handle the blood and guts of this plant.
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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 06:54 PM
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17. Good points (nt)
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 08:28 PM
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19. Of course the press didn't show up it doesn't fit with their
pre-fabricated story.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 08:25 PM
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18. A valuable lesson learned
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