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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:27 PM
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TSA security looks at people who complain about ... TSA security
Washington (CNN) -- Don't like the way airport screeners are doing their job? You might not want to complain too much while standing in line.
Arrogant complaining about airport security is one indicator Transportation Security Administration officers consider when looking for possible criminals and terrorists, CNN has learned exclusively. And, when combined with other behavioral indicators, it could result in a traveler facing additional scrutiny.
CNN has obtained a list of roughly 70 "behavioral indicators" that TSA behavior detection officers use to identify potentially "high risk" passengers at the nation's airports.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/04/15/tsa.screeners.complain/
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:30 PM
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1. I find that hard to believe (that it's a behavioral indicator). If you were trying
to be sneaky, would you call attention to yourself or try to melt in with the fellow travelers? :shrug:

I think it's just vindictiveness. Wonder how many 'complainers' turned out to be terrorists.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:57 PM
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4. Yes, I think it has more to do with retribution for speaking out then it has to do with "terrorism."
The alternative is to shut up and speak only when spoken to. Remember, "they" hate us for our freedoms. You know, those freedoms we used to have?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:27 PM
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9. I vaguely remember, but the memory becomes a little fainter each day. nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:38 PM
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2. Yes, we must be good little soldiers, fall in line and obey
OBEY!
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:44 PM
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3. "arrogant complaining"?? as opposed to "subservient complaining"?
what in the HELL is "arrogant complaining"???
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:59 PM
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8. Complaining, at all. Period.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:01 PM
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5. A sure way to land on the No-Fly list.. or locked in an interrogation room for 12 hours...
Go ahead.. speak up.. tell the TSA what you really feel...
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enuegii Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:14 PM
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6. Yeah, because if I'm going to try to board a flight sporting a jock bomb...
the first thing I'm going to do is to start screaming "Don't touch my junk, Bro!"

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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:36 PM
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7. TSA, Cops , its all the same damn behavior..
..Don't question our power or we'll make you miserable for asserting your civil/human rights.
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NothingRight Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:49 PM
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10. No Win for TSA
If it were my daughter subjected to a TSA pat down, I'm sure I would have some issues, but I look at the TSA and the security screeners as being in an absolutely no win position. If someone gets through a domestic airport with material that results in an attack on the plane, or on our country, the TSA will be slaughtered in the court of everyone's opinion.

If they have the technology like backscatter machines and other full body scans that they recommend, they are crossing into personal privacy and civil liberties. And if they are to thorough in their pat down techniques, they are videotaped and shown to the nation as government funded gropers.

Many of my progressive brethren disagree with me on this issue, but I don't see flight as a right, I see it as an option. If we choose to use that option for a means of travel, than we choose to be a part in a system that is designed to prevent unnecessary tragedy from occurring at 30,000 feet.

If I am morally opposed to someone making sure I am not a converted extremist determined to make a statement when I fly for a business trip to Iowa, then I will take a train, or a bus, or drive myself. Inconvenient for damn sure, but my moral opinions should not dictate policy, either in our government or in a private enterprise.

Just my two cents.....
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 05:38 AM
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11. Common carrier laws.
Part of which were set up / modified because of the civil rights movement. In part they say that anyone functioning as a common carrier (a commercial enterprise that carried passengers from the commons) are not allowed to be prejudicial asshats (paraphrase).

If they carry at all with a common carrier license then they must offer the same service to everyone irrespective to race, national origin, etc... thus they can't sell one white ticket price, one black ticket price or refuse to sell a ticket because they have issues with turbins. While this outlines what the commercial interests are restrained to it does say nothing about government groping.

The question is should it say anything about it. FYI, your entire argument that flying isn't a right is a VERY red herring as rights have nothing to do with common transport. But they do have everything to do with common accomodation. It's one of the reasons profiling isn't allowed along racial lines.
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 08:32 AM
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12. That's exactly what happens.If you act somehow like a danger, you get screened.
If it turns out you are not a bomb carrying psycho you get on the plane. Everyone gets to ride. You just have to follow the rules. If anyone knows a better way to search the suspicious SPEAK UP. Invent the machine. Lobby the TSA. Make it happen. Meanwhile, when I fly I want someone using any effective method possible to keep me from blowing up.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:55 AM
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13. Start by screening luggage. Untilgfhey do they could rectaly probe...
Passengers and you aren't safe. Don't you get it? USA security is kabuki theater.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:12 PM
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14. I've had enough of the fascist agency.
It is illegal and UnAmerican too, what they are doing.
To hell with anyone who says, "Just shut and up and take the groping like a good little sheep". You are part of the problem. The fact that most people are willing to put up with this shit IS the problem. Fucking sheeple.
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