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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:24 PM Original message |
The Robert E. Lee myth |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Amen. As a native of Richmond, Virginia... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Lee's reputation was secured because he fought lousy Union generals for adversaries. |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Lee was a genius at military tactics |
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theblasmo (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. True, but... |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Rhodes was amazing |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Grant made the intellectual and moral pivot to modern warfare; Lee never did |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. If Lee had faced Grant at Antietem instead of McClellan his army likely would have been destroyed. |
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Dan (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
57. I agree |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
58. He wasn't a military genius he just faced incompetent Generals |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. I don't get it, either. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. when I see it, I figure it's a racist too chicken shit to put the swastika on |
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beardown (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. Lee's military genius is no myth |
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Rageneau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Neither is his integrity or sense of honor. |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. If he owned slaves and fought for slavery in general..... |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Because he wasn't fighting for slavery so much as fighting to defend his family, friends, neighbors |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. You DO KNOW it was the SOUTH that STARTED the Civil War ... right? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Yes I do know that it officially kicked off when Fort Sumter in South Carolina was fired upon by |
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winston65 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. sorry no sale- |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. What part of my post or the post that I was responding too, didn't you understand? |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Because "honor" depends crucially on culture. |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Excuse me: NON-SLAVERY is BETTER than SLAVERY! |
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winston65 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. Honor, my foot-- |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Admiral Yamamato was a pretty nice guy, too |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Apparently no one interviewed his slaves? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Lol |
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winston65 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. the last time I looked |
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The Second Stone (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. This is the post I agree most with as to Lee's abilities |
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1620rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Amen. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Was there any justification for Pickett's Charge? |
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thucythucy (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
23. I can't agree that Lee |
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wizstars (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. Rommel was a hell of a general, too. So was Julius Caesar. |
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orangeapple (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. Patton understood that too |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
14. His old home, Arlington, is a memorial to the cost of his choices, being now the |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
16. Weirdest thing... |
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winston65 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
17. treason is treason |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. If they had hung, Reconstruction would have been like Iraq (nt) |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. If the British had defeated the American colonies, George Washington would have been |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. interesting fact: Johnston's daughter Mary became a noted pacifist and woman's suffragist nt |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 02:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Perhaps not his daughter but the daughter of his cousin? |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. good catch, thanks for the correction nt |
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SacoMaine61 (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
24. K&R but why is there a picture of Sam Elliott ? |
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jimmil (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
25. Lee sucked as a general... |
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beardown (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. So Cold Harbor must have occurred before Shiloh. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
26. On Lee. |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
27. He was a charismatic leader of men and a terrible strategist |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
30. Robert E Lee was a great man. He fought for his state. He didn't want to |
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orangeapple (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. and his State seceded |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Robert E Lee was a piece of shit |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. The romantic notion of the heroic Lee is crap |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. My ancestors fought on both sides of the war and none of them owned slaves. |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. The description you have given of Lee and his world is very reasonable. |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. actually when it comes to Sherman's march |
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winston65 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 07:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
52. sorry- |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
37. Exactly. Anyone who thinks Lee is a hero is a traitor to the United States. |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. That is the most outrageous statement, labeling a person a traitor because |
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winston65 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-29-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Please- |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
48. At least we dont have a National Holiday for him as we do for the child molestor |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-03-11 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
59. Forrest was the greatest tactician of them all |
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