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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:43 PM
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Why Rick Perry is headed to the White House
This is a truly frightening scenario.

By James C. Moore, Special to CNN
August 11, 2011 11:18 a.m. EDT



Editor's note: James Moore is a Texas-based Emmy award-winning former national TV news correspondent and co-author of the best-seller, "Bush's Brain."

Austin, Texas (CNN) -- As a resident of Texas for 36 years, I keep wondering why the rest of the nation pays any attention to our political and cultural absurdities and yet still chooses Texans as presidents. Our most revered historical moment, the Alamo, was arguably a mass suicide. The slaughter in San Antonio was followed by a massacre at Goliad, the fall of the Confederacy to Union forces, and later by the Houston Astros. Texas has a legacy of losing.

None of this apparently matters, though, because America is beginning the process of electing another Texan to be president. Gigantic tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations, a trumped up war and a ruined economy from the last Texan seem incapable of dissuading supporters of Rick Perry.

His Saturday speech in South Carolina will make clear that he is entering the race for the White House and will spawn the ugliest and most expensive presidential race in U.S. history, and he will win. A C and D student, who hates to govern, loves to campaign, and barely has a sixth grader's understanding of economics, will lead our nation into oblivion.

But I'm getting ahead of myself.

More at link:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/11/moore.perry.candidate/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:49 PM
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1. Americans love them some idiots. Nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:51 PM
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4. Cause many want people just like them! n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:49 PM
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2. I hope to God this is wrong.
But he scares the living daylights outta me. Theocracy here we come? Interesting how I read a comment in an Alternet piece about him this morning that stated the virulent opposition to sharia law from some of these quarters may stem from not wanting competition. :scared:

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/648405/maddow_on_the_radicalism_of_rick_perry%3A_could_he_lead_to_%22christian_overthrow_of_us_government%22/comments/
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:50 PM
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3. Many Americans never vote in their best interest. n/t
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 03:53 PM by RKP5637
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:53 PM
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5. If Rick Perry wins their nomination...
The 2012 Presidential election will be the most ugly, racially charged election in modern political history.

They'll run as the good old white boy Texan against the N****er president who wrecked the economy.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:55 PM
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6. Faith based drivel the promotes Perry. Stupidity.
"And he will win." Last cycle this time, I was being told that about Fred Thompson, the guy from the reverse mortgage ads, by folks who breathless explained why he was going to 'stroll into the Oval without breaking a sweat, he'll best Hillary easily.' They were so wrong on so many levels.
There is much to be seen in a person's choice of words. One who writs with certainty 'will win' rather than reason 'might win' is doing so with intention. They boldly look at you and claim to see the future. Yawn.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:11 PM
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7. Riiiight.....


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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:29 PM
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11. But the RW loves the Neidermeyer look. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:18 PM
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32. And no wonder.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:22 PM
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33. He looks young and innocent in one picture
Not so much in the 2nd one...
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:14 PM
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8. He's a job creator.
here in texas we have more minimum wage jobs than anywhere else. Right to work baby.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:15 PM
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9. No point hyperventilating: Perry won't come close to winning.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:19 PM
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10. The only white house he's headed for might be
a White Castle hamburger joint.
He'll get elected when pigs fly on their own. When the sun freezes. When we land a man on Alpha Centauri.
The idiot wanted to secede from the US, and now wants to be President?!?!?!
That's almost as bad as the actor we once had. People just can't be that stupid.
The only way that he can win, is if he steals it, and he'll have to steal it over a lot of dead bodies.
His state is in the crapper as far as finances, and its environment. How the hell can he win?
You think because some deranged jesus freaks like him, he's gonna win? Guess again. He's as much a loser as any other RepubliCON candidate!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:32 PM
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12. I think you are underestimating the stupidity of the voting population.
A lot of his bullshit will never surface or will be explained away as old philosophy. If the powers that be want Rick to be president, they'll find a way to buy it for him. The SCOTUS has made sure of that.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:37 PM
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19. Rick Perry Hype Yet To Show Up In IA, NH Polling (14 July)
... Polling on Perry is still only beginning to trickle in from Iowa and New Hampshire, but the handful of surveys out there show him peaking in single digits.

An American Research Group poll in Iowa this week has him at just 2%, and the crosstabs don't look any better among likely caucus-goers and self-identifying Tea Partiers. That puts him well behind top tier candidates like Michele Bachmann (25%) and Mitt Romney (20%), potential candidate Sarah Palin (10%), and others, and about even with Tim Pawlenty (2%), Jon Huntsman (2%), and the undeclared Rudy Giuliani (2%).

"There aren't people clamoring for Rick Perry in Iowa at the moment," ARG president Dick Bennett told TPM ...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/rick-perry-hype-yet-to-show-up-in-ia-nh-polling.php
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:45 PM
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20. Don't know what polls you are looking at.
Perry is in second place in most polls and hasn't even announced or campaigned yet. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 09:45 PM
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21. Perry's current numbers are comparable to what Bachmann had a month ago: the Rs are thrashin
around desperately, looking for a winner

A month ago, we had constant hype Bachmann! Bachmann! Bachmann! so a buncha Rs jumped on her wagon. They mostly jumped back off when they realized she wasn't electable. Now we're gettin constant hype Perry! Perry! Perry! so a buncha Rs are jumpin on HIS wagon. They'll mostly jump right back off when they realize HE isn't electable, either: the country's just not going to go for still another rightwing Texan as President with only one-term of relief
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 09:49 PM
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22. I have no idea who will get their nomination but I think Perry will do well once he gets in.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 10:13 PM
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23. We'll see: I find the idea laughable
Herman Cain trounces Rick Perry in Western Conservative straw poll
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/07/herman-cain-trounces-rick-perry-in-western-conservative-straw-poll/

Poll: Rick Perry debuts strongly among Tea Party Republicans, not so well among the rest
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/07/poll-rick-perry-debuts-strongly-among-tea-party-republicans-not-so-well-among-the-rest/

Perry Watch: Obama would trounce Rick Perry in a national presidential match-up
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/07/perry-watch-obama-would-trounce-rick-perry-in-a-national-match-up/

Perry Watch: Perry wins just 2 percent in latest New Hampshire presidential poll
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/perry-watch-perry-wins-just-2-percent-in-latest-new-hampshire-presidential-poll/

TexMessage: Rick Perry excluded from presidential straw poll at New Orleans even
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/texmessage-rick-perry-excluded-from-presidential-straw-poll-at-new-orleans-event/

Poll: President Obama now nearly as popular in Texas as Gov. Rick Perry
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/poll-president-obama-now-nearly-as-popular-in-texas-as-gov-rick-perry/
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 10:24 PM
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25. The latest CNN poll (today) has Obama 51% Perry 46%
A win yes. But considering Perry has not campaigned or announced not very reassuring. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/08/11/gop2012poll.pdf
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 10:37 PM
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26. The poll also has Giuliani trouncing Obama: that's absolutely not going to happen
And here's what it says about Republicans' current preferences in early Aug vs late Jul

Romney 23% 22%
Perry 18% 17%
Paul 14% 12%
Bachmann 9% 14%
Gingrich 8% 5%
Cain 5% 7%
Huntsman 5% 1%
Pawlenty 3% 4%
Santorum 3% 2%

Only 5% voted "someone else" or "no opinion" and 10% said "no one." The 3rd, 4th, and 5th on that list are all "not a chance even if hell freezes over" candidates. That tells me the Rs thrashing about desperately
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:47 PM
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30. Once people find out who the REAL Rick Perry is, his numbers will come down
to something like 30%. Mark my words.
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PaulUdouj Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:43 PM
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13. A new section of the Democrats has risen up!
While the Liberals want more government and the Tea Party wants no government...finally the TRUE GRIT DEMOCRATS have risen up and are pushing for an efficient government. We need an overhaul of the prison system, the military, and the post office just to get started. Rick Perry will not answer the question of efficiency. He's just more of the same.

When a car stalls on you the first thing you do is have the engine checked. When your economy fails you give it a check up too. The TRUE GRIT DEMOCRATS seem to be the only ones who want to fix the problem.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/197365236990167/
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 05:13 PM
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14. Never mind. Self delete.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 05:16 PM by JoeyT
Arguing with facebook spammers is pointless.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 05:30 PM
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15. I think the writer has it correct, "Good Hair" Perry will win
Perry is very good at connecting with his base, and that base will carry him in the Primaries to win the Nomination. Perry will then switch his Campaign to one strictly on the Economy (Leaving the Fundamentalists in the dust). If the economy goes South (And it appears it will) people will be looking for someone who has a solution to the economy, and Perry will appear to have one, Obama by his attempts to work with the GOP will NOT appear to have a plan, and will lose working class voters.

People want to vote for someone who has a plan for the Nation, it may be a bad plan, but a plan. Obama's plan has been to get elected, and that is NOT a plan for the Nation and people will see that, for the GOP will make an effort to clearly show it to be true. All the GOP has to do is compare what Obama appears to have promised in 2008 with what he did and people will accept Obama really has no plan.

I have made the comparison before, I said Clinton was the 1990s version of Grover Cleveland, a "Gold" Democrat, i.e. someone who agreed with the GOP as to Economic Policy and just wanted to get elected to be President.

Stating in 1894, and coming to a head in 1896 the "Silver Democrats" took over the Party. The "Silver Democrats" were Democrats who OPPOSED the economic policies of the GOP and were willing to help the Farmers (More Americans lived in Rural America in 1896 then in Urban America, a situation that did not change till the 1920 census, where for the first time more Americans lived in Cities then on the Farm) and other working class stiffs by inflating the economy.

The US had suffered a huge depression in the 1870s, due to the insistence that the Civil War Debts be paid back so that the Dollar could return to a Value of $20 an ounce of Gold. This caused Massive DEFLATION, prices reached their lowest value in real terms in the 1890s i.e. the 1895 dollar could buy more items then any time before or since. The Problem with Deflation is that anyone who owned a debt (and most people owned at least a Mortgage) the value of that debt stayed the same WHILE any asset their owned went down in value. I.e. a $1000 farm subject to a $1000 mortgage in 1870, was worth way less then $1000 on 1895 but the Mortgage would still be valued at $1000 for it was a FINANCIAL Asset. Worse the crops that brought in enough to pay the Mortgage in 1870, could NOT do so by the 1890s do to the drop in value of the crop, while the Mortgage held its value.

The price of Silver in the late 1800s was declining do to the huge output of Silver out of Nevada. By the 1870s, while the Gold in a Gold Dollar was just pennies (if that much) shy of a Dollar, the Silver in Silver Dollars was only worth 55 Cents. Thus if the Government minted more Silver Dollars, you could have price inflation, the value of housing and crops (And wages) would go up and give the economy a kick start (at the cost that FINANCIAL Assets, like Mortgages, bonds, bank accounts etc would go DOWN as inflation reduced the value of a Dollar to less then $20 an ounce of Gold. FDR ended up doing this in 1934 when he reduced the value of the Dollar to $35 a ounce of Gold, and then Nixon finished the project in 1971 when he released the Value of the Dollar from any reference to Gold).

As a whole minting Silver Dollar would HELP the economy, but Wall Street and the Financial interests OPPOSED it. The GOP opposed it and the "Gold Democrats" like Cleveland opposed it, for the simple reason Wall Street and the Banks opposed it.

Now, by 1900 Gold was found in South Africa and Australia, which lead to inflation do to the increase amount of gold in the World Economy, inflation that had been needed since the 1870s. Thus by 1900 Progressives moved away from the Silver issue for minting Silver coins was no longer needed to inflate the economy. Thus Silver was NOT an issue after 1896, but it was the hot issue of 1896 for Free Minting of Silver Dollars separated the people who supported the Farmers, the Workers and Main street from the Banks and Wall Street.

In 1896 the "Free Silver" Democrats took over the Democratic Party and embraced what the Sitting Democratic President rejected, the Minting of Silver Dollars. This was the take over of Progressives of the party over the ancestors of the Democratic Leadership Committee (DLC). In 1904 and 1928 the Progressives lost control of the party and nominated "me-to" Democrats, but every other Presidential election year a Progressive was nominated (even if that progressive had some "Baggage", for example Wilson's embracing of Segregation in the Federal Government). While not all of them were as Progressives as many people would like, none were the tools of Wall Street (and that was even true of the 1924 Candidate, a Wall Street Lawyer).

I bring this up for 1896 was the year the Democrats STOPPED being a "Me-to" party to the GOP. Cleveland had won in 1884, but lost in 1888 and won again in 1892, as the economy tanked. The problem was Cleveland's solution was the same solutions the GOP wanted, and was Clearly rejected in 1896.

Clinton had the opportunity to break with Wall Street, but he refused just like Cleveland. Obama also had the opportunity to break with Wall Street, but also refused. Both wanted to "Help" Wall Street for that was where the money to run for President came from. In 1896 the Democrats could only raise and spend $650,000 dollars, the GOP raised and spent over 7 Million Dollars. Yes 10 to 1 against the Democrats and this to achieve a popular vote vote of 51.1% against the Democratic candidate's 47.7%.

Campaign Spending including 1896:
http://www.ctn.state.ct.us/civics/campaign_finance/Support%20Materials/campaign_finance_historical_timeline.htm

Political Parties in the early 1900s:
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/pages/6205

1896 Election Results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1896

My comment, is the Democratic Party needs to revolt against Obama, the Banks and Wall Street, just like it did against Cleveland in 1896. We are now an Urban Country so no one is going to come out of Nebraska to save the party and to lead its progressive wing, the person who will lead the progressive wing will have to come from the inner city, from the African American community, some African American who leads this party back to the straight and narrow way of being progressive. The people thought Obama was that leader, but it clear he is not (And thus why Obama won the 2008 Nomination and Election).

The reason I said an African American, is that the African American Community is the most loyal group to the Democratic party AND the most loyal to one of their own (Which many African American believe Obama is). Thus to get that 15-20% of the party's base to vote against Obama would require that the opposition be another African American. Such a progressive could upset Obama's plans, but I do NOT see it happening.

Thus, nothing will happen till 2016, after Perry had been President for four years. Then and only then will the progressives in the Democratic Party realize that they MUST take over the party even if that means turning people out of the party (Which is what the progressive did in 1896, the DLC types kept coming back, but since they did WORSE then the progressive when nominated, the Progressives were able to hold on to the party).

I know that the Democratic Party was out of the White House from 1896 till 1932 (Except for the Eight Years of President Wilson, who won do to how the 1912 GOP almost destroyed itself), but during that time period the Party made clear its desire to IMPROVE the fate of Farmers and Working Americans. Thus when the Great Depression hit, the Democratic Party was in a Position to take over, and it did.

I hate to say it, while I will vote for Obama in the General election in 2012, I expect him to lose. He has no plan, and being a "Me-to" Democrat to the GOP, people will prefer a real GOP to a ME-To Democrat. Thus I expect Obama to lose in 2012. Hopefully someone will come out in 2016 to change the Democratic Party, but it will take a Radical to do so, but a Radical that can be elected.
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Gin Blossom Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:42 AM
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28. Interesting. Thanks. n/t
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:37 PM
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16. He will not win in the general election, period. He is way to extreme.
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 10:22 PM
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24. And also stupid.
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hayrow Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:58 PM
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17. What a shame
This probably means Marcus Bachmann's dreams of becoming the first lady are smashed.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:28 PM
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18. When I saw him praying at his little "event",
he reminded me of Jim Jones, minus the sunglasses. Very scary guy.

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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 10:43 PM
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27. If Scarey Perry gets in with enough support, they'll impose the Theocracy they've soooo longed for:
The US of A will become the Hard Right/King James Version of Iraq. And we, apparently, have NO real "Opposition Party" any longer. The "Democrats" have folded up the chairs, took down the signs, and turned off all the lights.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 01:47 AM
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29. I hope he's wrong, but it's hard to argue with that.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:11 PM
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31. I don't think so.
I know we're stupid, but not THAT stupid.

Hopefully, anyway........
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:45 PM
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34. OH HELL NO!!!! NOT AGAIN!! Git off yur collective asses and vote DEM!!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:32 PM
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35. I agree with most of this except for...
"Texas has a legacy of losing". The Texas militia, formed mostly of farmers, and with no assistance from the US, defeated the army that defeated Spain. The rest of the article is spot on.
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