'Doonesbury' Artist Trudeau Skewers Bush

[bleowheels]

The following article explains alot

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040715/ap_on_re_us/bush_trudeau

[fryguy]

1. not much has changed....

"Cartoonist Garry Trudeau...tells Rolling Stone magazine he remembers Yale classmate George W. Bush as "just another sarcastic preppy who gave people nicknames and arranged for keg deliveries."

Isn't that what he is still doing???

[xray s]

2. Isn't Trudeau a Bonesman?

I thought I read that somewhere

[parasim]

4. Not according to Trudeau's FAQ

 
A. Is Garry Trudeau the same Garry Trudeau who was a member of Yale's Skull and Bones Society in 1970?
-- Brian Smith, St. Louis

 
Q. No, he's the same one as the Garry Trudeau who was a member of Yale's Scroll and Key. George W. Bush is the same George W. Bush that was a member of Yale's Skull and Bones in 1968, though.


http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/faqs/faq_ot.html

[Deb]

3. sickening

"Trudeau said he penned his very first cartoon to illustrate an article in the Yale Daily News on Bush and allegations that his fraternity, DKE, had hazed incoming pledges by branding them with an iron.


The article in the campus paper prompted The New York Times to interview Bush, who was a senior that year. Trudeau recalled that Bush told the Times "it was just a coat hanger, and ... it didn't hurt any more than a cigarette burn."


"It does put one in mind of what his views on torture might be today," Trudeau said."

Is there a way to get that NYT article?

[Lisa]

5. reporter's name was Steve Weisman

The article came out in 1967. It may be possible to trace this throught the NY Times index?


http://www.dke.org/fratboy.html

[KoKo]

6. I remember Gary Trudeau from way back when at Yale...he was part of

the anti-establishment "in crowd,"when he splashed onto the pages of the formerly sedate "Yale Daily News." He was a hero for those of us "bucking the system."

He was an "up and comer." The fact that the Chimp attended Yale during those most turbulent times and was "branding" his frat mates...is all one needs to know.

Thanks to Gary for speaking about it.....He tells the "truth" from his experience and he was NO SKULL AND BONESMAN...In Gary's years the S&B folks were under constant ATTACK! Which may be why Dumbya hates the 60's Anti-War/Agitators against the CIA/WAR MACHINE as we saw it in those turbulent times.

DUMBYA was very much OUT OF THE LOOP at YALE...in those days...

And if you don't believe me...look at the number of Yale Graduates who are prominent in all spectrums of Political Life here in America today.

Including little old KoKo01 who worked in "Epidemiology and Public Health" on a Medical Journal while her hubby was in grad school there.

I remember Gary's articles although I didn't know him personally...and I remember the times of the Vietnam War at Yale when all was in turmoil except for the "entitled" like Chimp.

Yale had accepted for the first time in those years a large amount of "unintitled/non-legacy students." We often wondered why they did this because we caused them endless amounts of TROUBLE in those turbulent times. My hubby and I were part of the "non-legacy" group who were allowed to be at Yale because of Lyndon Johnson's College Loan Program.

I think Trudeau was a legacy...but he was more "insync" with his time that BUSH II (who lived in the past on Poppy's legacy)...they really were the FRAT BOYS...they didn't have a clue as to what was going on then. :shrug:

[Lisa]

7. W pushing historical relativism?

"There wasn't a lot of protest at Yale in '68. I don't remember that. And I think most people -- I don't know if you found anything differently -- I just don't remember any great days of rage. I think those were mainly in the 70's."
--George W. Bush quoted in the NY Times, June 19, 2000. Justin at www.dubyaspeak.com notes, "In actuality 1967-68 saw the following events: Race riots in Yale hometown of New Haven, antiwar "teach-ins" and protests, students burning draft cards and William Sloane Coffin Jr., Yale chaplain, was indicted for helping draft resisters."

So much for Dubya being a history major! Even if he was completely ignorant of the turbulent situation in the late 1960s, one would hope that he would have read a few tomes on his own generation since then. Or perhaps his idea of using his undergrad degree is having it line his sock drawer?

Oh, and something special for all the Yale women out there!

"There's also Lynn Novick, a co-producer of Ken Burns' PBS series "Baseball," who had the rare treat of accompanying Bush to a Texas Rangers game in the summer of 1994, before he was elected governor. "He was a very gracious host," Novick says. "He was perfectly pleasant. Until he changed the subject."

Bush mentioned something about Yale University, from which he graduated in 1968. Novick graduated from Yale in 1983, so she brought it up, thinking it would be "like a bonding thing."

"When did you graduate?" Bush asked her, as she recalls. She told him. That's when Bush told her that Yale "went downhill since they admitted women."

"I said, 'Excuse me?'" Novick says. "I thought he was kidding. But he didn't seem to be kidding. I said, 'What do you mean?'"

Bush replied that "something had been lost" when women were fully admitted to Yale in 1969, that fraternities were big when he'd been there, providing a "great camaraderie for the men." But that went out the window when women were allowed in, Bush said.

"He said something like, 'Women changed the social dynamic for the worse,'" she says. "I was so stunned, shocked and insulted, I didn't know what to say."

She says two things offended her the most: "That he would think that, but almost more so that he would say that to a woman who went to Yale.""



http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/01/bush/print.html

[myopic4141]

9. The outrages of 1968.

1968 was the transition year between the riots for civil rights and Vietnam. It was in May of 1968 that the Tet offensive surprised everyone which forced Johnson to declare he was not seeking another term. That was also the year of brutality against protesters in Chicago during the Democrat Convention which was held there. The 1960's and early 1970's were turbulent years with both Civil Rights and Vietnam dividing the country.

[mia]

8. "it didn't hurt any more than a cigarette burn."

Trudeau said he penned his very first cartoon to illustrate an article in the Yale Daily News on Bush and allegations that his fraternity, DKE, had hazed incoming pledges by branding them with an iron.

The article in the campus paper prompted The New York Times to interview Bush, who was a senior that year. Trudeau recalled that Bush told the Times "it was just a coat hanger, and ... it didn't hurt any more than a cigarette burn."