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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:23 PM
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Would extreme liberals support Clark?
Would extreme liberals support Clark?
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:27 PM
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1. Yes.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:28 PM
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2. YES
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:29 PM
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3. Er, wouldn't they be voting Green anyway?
I thought most of the extreme liberals had left the party?

:shrug:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:39 AM
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25. Most rabidly left folks
....realize just how important it is to rid the world of the Chimp with his finger on the button.

Clark (or anyone else) will have to deliver more than hot air to keep the job in 2008, though.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:31 PM
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4. Extreme? They don't vote. But regular liberals, yes.
Clark opposed the war and is OK on every single issue I checked him - plus he is very qualified and extremely articulate.
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Videlicet03 Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:35 PM
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5. No. If they're smart they'll support Lieberman and I'll tell you why
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 11:36 PM by Videlicet03
Joe is a centrist and given the political climate of the country, only a centrist can win the presidency. But Joe is also very liberal on key issues. People like Howard Dean are loose cannons. Only a calm and reasoned man can topple the Boy Blunder in the WH.
Let me tell you another reason why Joe can do for the Far Left what the ranters can't. Three weeks ago, Lieberman went into the eye of the tiger; the state of Virginia...extremely reliably Republican...so much so that neither party's candidate feels the need to campaign there much in a presidential election. So Joe goes in there to Richmond and gives those people a rousing stump speech telling him why they should vote for him. He got some very nice ovations. Can one really imagine Howard Dean venturing into a place like Virginia? Or Hillary? My God, those people would get booed off the stage. Joe can tread in all 50 states and have a shot to win. As Bill Clinton says; 'If you can't win, you can't lead' Clinton knows. The far left will get a lot from a centrist than it will from a Republican or a liberal guy who has no prayer of winning.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:35 PM
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6. Define "Extreme".
It is a relative term. What is an "extreme liberal" in your opinion?
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:36 PM
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8. Someone who is far left of center....
I'm talking about a Green or a Socialist. Someone like that.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:38 PM
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10. then they're not a "liberal"
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 11:41 PM by Aidoneus
"far left" =/= "liberal", no matter what Rush or Ann says.

linguistic gymnastics aside, probably not.
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:40 PM
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11. So
Edited on Wed Jul-30-03 11:40 PM by Composed Thinker
So no Greens or Socialists would support Clark?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:41 PM
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12. "=/=" means "not equal to"
was that the confusing part?
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:45 PM
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14. No, I got that
I'm just very dense tonight, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:52 PM
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16. ok
I thought referring to "extreme" or "far left" groups as "liberal" is not accurate, though it is commonly enough done sometimes (and wrongly so).
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:54 PM
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17. Okay
I see your point. There should really be some consensus on how and when to apply labels. Anyway, let me rephrase that question: will people who fall far to the left on the political spectrum support Clark?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:58 PM
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21. well, that all depends
Edited on Thu Jul-31-03 12:08 AM by Aidoneus
I shouldn't speak for others, but based on his military record, probably not; his most notable operation is not well received by who you refer to as "extreme" types. I don't know the depth of how much of his opinions on the other positions he has revealed besides a few soundbytes. I guess his appeal is that he could "beat" W on "national security" issues, but that would be a counterproductive exercise and will undoubtably fail to address the real concern WRT that.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:36 PM
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7. No
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:37 PM
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9. Would they do it with Dean on the ticket?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:46 PM
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15. I don't know about "they"
but I wouldn't.
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:55 PM
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20. Why not?
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:43 PM
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13. Yes. I'm a Socialist and yes.
I saw him on MTP a couple of weks ago and he gave a very intelligent, and impassioned, defence of the Progressive Tax.

He may not be as far Left as myself but he sounded like a principled man.

I need to know more though.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:54 PM
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18. No, of course not. Leftists think the idea of making generals into
politicians is ridiculous. Leftists hate militarism, and generals are people who chose the military out of all possible career paths. You don't get to be a general by being a free independent thinker. You get to be a general by conforming to a lot of patriotic bullshit & getting along well with nationalists & militarists.

Leftists support candidates who advocate policies that accord with well-defined social goals. Democrats who support Clark have no idea what he stands for, & only want him because he's a general, which supposedly will make him seem "tough" & hard for Republicans to attack on grounds of "national security." This isn't even close to being a sufficient reason for supporting him.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:01 AM
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22. I haven't been able to quite get the words
right as to how I feel about a military person being president.

You did.

Thanks!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:27 AM
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24. How do you feel about George Washington being President?
Edited on Thu Jul-31-03 12:36 AM by TacticalPeak
Aren't you being somewhat general?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:50 AM
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26. Dunno
I wasn't alive then, therefore it din't affect my life.

How am I being somewhat general? I don't understand your question.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:27 AM
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23. Then Leftists will be disappointed AGAIN
Clark IS the man to beat Bush. I think we can do it with Doctor Deans principles if Clark doesn't get in but Katie barr the door if he does. We're home free!
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hamsterhuey Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 04:08 AM
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30. good point
but the majority (i mean maybe 90%) of the general public sees nothing wrong with a general being president. id say the majority would chose a general (3/4s or more maybe) would want a general over a governor or a politician (kucinich, actually all of the Dem 9). i think only extreme lefists - ones who wouldn't vote for a 'mainstream 2-party candidate anyway' anway, wouldn't vote for Clark. Thus, to me, it's a non issue.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 11:55 PM
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19. only warmongers would support him
people who believe VIOLENCE is a just way to solve problems.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:03 AM
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27. No, Clark hasn't even said what party he belongs to!?
Clark is a good guy but no president. Especially in these times. Clark has not even ackowledged his own political affiliation. I think many extreme libs would have a problem supporting a Dem by default.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:09 AM
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29. Thank you!
What WOULD he run as? Has he even said?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 02:39 AM
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28. please...what is an "extreme" liberal?
define
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