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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:47 PM
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Did Bush Just Give Congress A Reason To Impeach Him ??? (Haiti)
If you haven't been listening to this, you should be!!!

Follow this link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1178948

Waters and Rangel need to throw bombs on this one!!!

:nuke:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:56 PM
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1. I was thinking the same thing/
Is overthrowing governments illegal? The bad news is we get President Hastert
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:01 PM
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4. I don't think it is.
After all, we've toppled many a leader/dictator. Milosevic, Hussein, etc.

And besides, impeachment is more of a political thing. Nixon was impeached because what he did was so unethical that his popularity plummeted; Clinton was impeached because the GOP was out to get him just as much as it was for perjury. Gray Davis was recalled for just being unpopular.
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:14 PM
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9. Nixon wasn't impeached
though I feel strongly that he should have been.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:57 PM
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2. Whats this about an ABC cameraman seeing Aristide handcuffed?
I can't get radio on my computer at work. Is there another link?

I hope Mark Foley is censured. That is absolutely disgusting.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:01 PM
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5. Here's A Couple Of Radio Links !!!
KPFA: http://www.kpfa.org/

KPFTX: http://www.kpftx.org/

Hope that helps.

:shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:00 PM
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3. Let's hope so....
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:06 PM
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6. If Iraq wasn't enough, forget this.
The US is just reverting back to what it used to do, without raising an eyebrow, up until about 1990.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:13 PM
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8. True... But A Number Of Congress Critters Are Feeling...
Mighty burned by this Administration over Iraq (among other things). This could be there chance for a little revenge.

I know Waters and Rangel were PISSED. We'll see tomorrow what they're able to stir up.

And remember, the Republican Congrees folk got into majority power fairly recently. If this situation gets bad enough, you might see them starting to distance themselves from the Bushistas.

Either way, it should be an interesting week.

:shrug:
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 08:10 PM
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7. fill the senators phone mail
up with our voices of outrage! I'm livid, I called and left my angry message on their voice mails.
How dare the US turn away and take the Haitians back when it's a blood bath!

How dare we allow this to happen to the people of Haiti!

I called for that SOB Crusader Bunnypants to be impeached!

1-800-839-5276
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:48 AM
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10. while you're at it, mention this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/vv/20040220/lo_laweekly/51202&cid=891&ncid=1501


(snip)
there were three reasons why they felt the U.S. needed to topple Saddam, put in a friendly government and occupy Iraq.

One of those reasons is that sanctions and containment were working and everybody pretty much knew it. Many companies around the world were preparing to do business with Iraq in anticipation of a lifting of sanctions. But the U.S. and the U.K. had been bombing northern and southern Iraq since 1991. So it was very unlikely that we would be in any kind of position to gain significant contracts in any post-sanctions Iraq. And those sanctions were going to be lifted soon, Saddam would still be in place, and we would get no financial benefit.

The second reason has to do with our military-basing posture in the region. We had been very dissatisfied with our relations with Saudi Arabia, particularly the restrictions on our basing. And also there was dissatisfaction from the people of Saudi Arabia. So we were looking for alternate strategic locations beyond Kuwait, beyond Qatar, to secure something we had been searching for since the days of Carter to secure the energy lines of communication in the region. Bases in Iraq, then, were very important that is, if you hold that is Americas role in the world. Saddam Hussein was not about to invite us in.

The last reason is the conversion, the switch Saddam Hussein made in the Food for Oil program, from the dollar to the euro. He did this, by the way, long before 9/11, in November 2000 selling his oil for euros. The oil sales permitted in that program arent very much. But when the sanctions would be lifted, the sales from the country with the second largest oil reserves on the planet would have been moving to the euro.

The U.S. dollar is in a sensitive period because we are a debtor nation now. Our currency is still popular, but its not backed up like it used to be. If oil, a very solid commodity, is traded on the euro, that could cause massive, almost glacial, shifts in confidence in trading on the dollar. So one of the first executive orders that Bush signed in May <2003> switched trading on Iraqs oil back to the dollar.



At the time you left the military, a year ago, just how great was the influence of this neoconservative faction on Pentagon policy?

When it comes to Middle East policy, they were in complete control, at least in the Pentagon. There was some debate at the State Department.



Indeed, when you were still in uniform and writing a Web column anonymously, you expressed your bitter disappointment when Secretary of State Powell in your words eventually capitulated.

He did. When he made his now-famous power-point slide presentation at the U.N., he totally capitulated. It meant he was totally onboard. Whether he believed it or not.



You gave your life to the military, you voted Republican for many years, you say you served in the Pentagon right up to the outbreak of war. What does it feel like to be out now, publicly denouncing your old bosses?

Know what it feels like? It feels like duty. Thats what it feels like. Ive thought about it many times. You know, I spent 20 years working for something that at least under this administration turned out to be something I wasnt working for. I mean, these people have total disrespect for the Constitution. We swear an oath, military officers and NCOs alike swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. These people have no respect for the Constitution. The Congress was misled, it was lied to. At a very minimum that is a subversion of the Constitution. A pre-emptive war based on what we knew was not a pressing need is not what this country stands for.

What I feel now is that Im not retired. I still have a responsibility to do my part as a citizen to try and correct the problem.
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