Bush let the bin Laden family leave the US right after 9/11, so should...

[NNN0LHI]

...Kerry use this fact now or save it for a while? I say save it for a little while, but not too long. He should strike while the iron is hot with Bush using the bodies of 9/11 victims in his campaign advertisements so it will stick in peoples mind for a good long time.

Don

[gmoney]

1. Save this stuff for the debate...

The MOMENT Bush mentions anything to do with 911 or the war on terrorism, Kerry should unleash the laundry list of all the highly questionable things Bush did surrounding that day. Just totally tee-off on him...

[thebigidea]

3. bad move

he'll just dismiss it as "conspiracy theory," make some snide comment, chuckle, and change the subject.

We need to soften him up first... a quik response ad would be great.

Its astonishing how many people don't already know about the flights - let the education begin.

[Nlighten1]

8. And the media whores...

will all chime in and start smearing Kerry...

[harrison]

2. Since Bush has politicized 911, he has opened wide the door for

911 to be used against him. I think Kerry should punch Bush at every chance he gets with Bush's actions before, during and after 911.

[Beetwasher]

4. It's All Fair Game Now

Bush's whoring of 9/11 and refusal to pull the ads means Kerry can ask ALL these question...and I'm gonna love every minute of it...

[9215]

5. What a coincidence

I'm now working on a piece on Bush's long association with the Bin Laden's, Baker and Botts, Bath, Hatfield's death after exposing it, and the rest.

I think Kerry should go for it anytime. He needs to get and keep Bush on the defensive and he isn't going to do that by playing nice. He should run Bush's add and then talk about how Bush had such a cozy business relationship with the supposed attackers. Bush has said he has proof of OBL involvement but has never provided it, only stonewalled, etc.

[NNN0LHI]

13. You said it. No one becomes president by playing nice n/t

[burythehatchet]

6. We're watching something incredible developing

[goclark]

7. Use Clark, Kennedy

I think he should let Clark or Kennedy or
Rangel or Harold Ford to do his dirty work. If he is to be the nominee, they should put the info out first.

Or, how could I forget Michael Moore!
When other people say it first they can test the waters.

Recall the situation with Clark and Michael Moore about AWOL.
It was great to get the info out there but Clark still took the hit
for the Democrats.

IMO Only

[salinen]

9. "Welcome to the 2004 presidential debates

I'd like first to introduce the panel. From blah blah blah, Andrea Mitchell, from blah, blah, blah, Tim Russert, and from blah, blah, blah," (fill in the whore blank). This will insure a tightly controlled, pro-chimp atmosphere. No Howard Zinn. No Noam Chomsky. No Joe Conason.

[pinto]

10. I'd like to see Kerry push the 9/11, WMD, Plamegate inquiries, he is Sen

and has a clear responsibility to make the case for those ongoing actions. As candidate, I'd like to see him hit the "leadership" stance of the repugs head on, and present some clear options for a Kerry administration.

[tobius]

11. I thought that bin laden

was framed by bushco. The camoflouged military planes that shot missiles at the towers coud not have come from bin laden in a cave.

[thebigidea]

12. I really don't understand the logic behind the explosives/missiles theory

why would you even NEED to fire a missile when you're plowing into it with a fully fueled giant freakin' jet?

[tobius]

22. They were testing remote flying and

remote warfare at the same time. Apparantly also being used was remote detonation including the highest levels of the city fire department. "And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise."

It has even been suggested that such a self-destruct mechanism was required in order to prevent companies with offices in the buildings in the vicinity of the Twin Towers from moving out (fearing for the safety of their premises and their employees), and was also required to persuade new companies to rent office space in Lower Manhattan http://www.serendipity.li/wtc6.htm

And shortly after this (in  early March)  David Bosanko of Bristol England, having been arguing against  the French "conspiray" claims on APFN, enlarged the security camera video and ran the frames in "animated" sequence.  This afforded a better view that instantly convinced many people (including me) that the plane shown was much too short to be Flight 77 Boeing  -- because if it  were a Boeing 757, its shiny aluminum fuselage, trimmed with red and blue, would be visible extending far out to the left of  the yellow driveway pillar etc.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm

[Stephanie]

25. That's ridiculous

There are thousands of eye witnesses to the event. They were all mistaken?

And all of those surrounding companies were in on the plot?

And also the fire department?

Outrageously ridiculous.

We have enough FACTS to hang BushCO with. We don't need stories as ridiculous as this.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Did I post this to this forum?

I meant to post it in the GD-Primary forum. If the mods care to move it there no problem and sorry for posting it here. Thanks.

Don

[GregW]

15. Well ... not quite

I think that the bin Ladin family was allowed to fly within the US to assemble during the ban (why?) but didn't physically leave the country until airports were reopended on/after 9/14.

More detail on snopes

[NNN0LHI]

16. I didn't say anything about any ban

These people should have been questioned by the FBI before they left the country, period. Don't you think?

Don

[Bridget Burke]

17. The New Yorker carried the original story,,.

Actually, it was a review of the Bin Ladin family, mostly those who lived in the US. Osama had not been rejected by all his relatives--but most of those in the US were out of the loop. With polygamy, you get very large extended families with many conflicts.

Generally, the Bin Ladins living here were westernized, fairly liberal. One young woman lived in a loft in Manhattan & was interested in the arts. One got the idea that they may have been appalled by 9/11 & might have had information about the more radical relatives back home in Saudi Arabia. It was not that they were suspects, but they were denied the chance to be interviewed by the FBI as they were whisked out of the country.

[NNN0LHI]

21. I never suggested they were suspects in my posts

But we do know that the Bush family has had business dealings with the bin Laden family in the past and that fact alone should have been enough to question them. But Bush allowed them to leave before they could be questioned as it turns out. Why would that be? Any ideas?

Don

[thebigidea]

18. well, I'm glad snopes apologized to Moore at least

I remember getting pretty enraged at their Bush-covering bullshit a year or two ago.

The new article is an improvement, but man - it raises one billion more questions than answers.

[bpilgrim]

19. sound bytes

then change the subject to what ever he wants to talk about.

it is a great way to squelch WHATEVER cheap shot they might through out ESPECIALLY if this is gonna be their center peice.

there are so many to smack him around with to DEMONSTRATE their FAILD LEADERSHIP on that horrid day.

TRIFECTA!

let them try to explain that one... or how that event took almost 2 hours yet not 1 fighter... or how they KNEW what was comming yet still procceded to the school even AFTER they heard of the hijackings... or the 20 mins he SAT THERE after he was told we were UNDER ATTACK when the 2nd plane struck.

there is so many sound bytes that will destroy him every time he tries to play this weak bs then talk about the ECONOMY and JOBS and we win.

peace

[nomatrix]

20. I've heard so many talking heads deny this

The bin Ladens’ Great Escape
How the U.S. helped Osama's family leave the country after 9/11.
Byron York
NR White House Correspondent

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york091102.asp

"The plane to which Carter refers was an aircraft chartered by the Saudi government in the days after the terrorist attacks. The individuals were two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's extended family who had been living in the United States. Saying they were afraid that family members might suffer retribution in the U.S., the Saudis asked for American assistance in getting them out of the country. With the help of the FBI, the Saudis and the bin Laden family chartered an aircraft to pick up family members in Los Angeles, Orlando, and Washington, D.C. The bin Laden plane then flew the relatives to Boston, where — one week after the attacks — the group left Logan Airport bound for Jeddah.

At the time, the massive 9/11 investigation was just beginning. The government had begun detaining hundreds of people who were held for days, weeks, or months while U.S. agents performed extensive background checks and interviews. In addition, the government announced its intention to question thousands of men from Muslim countries who might simply have known something of interest to the investigation. "The Department of Justice is waging a deliberate campaign of arrest and detention to protect American lives," Attorney General John Ashcroft said on November 27."

I thought they all read NRO

[Stephanie]

23. More articles on this:

From: http://www.makethemaccountable.com/whatwhen/

Why did the FBI usher members of the bin Laden family out of the U.S. after 9/11?

Bin Laden Family Evacuated, CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml

THE HOUSE OF BIN LADEN, The New Yorker
http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?011112fa_FACT3

Bin Laden’s Relatives Evacuated From NYC, Scoop
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0110/S00008.htm

He waved away warnings, John R. MacArthur, Toronto Globe and Mail, June 4, 2002:
http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?tf=tgam/common/FullStory.html&cf=tgam/common/FullStory.cfg&configFileLoc=tgam/config&vg=BigAdVariableGenerator&date=20020604&dateOffset=&hub=comment&title=Comment&cache_key=comment&cu%20

“ White House coverup of the causes and origins of Sept. 11 began almost immediately with the safe passage (within a week of the attack) out of the U.S. provided to 14 members of the bin Laden family, before they could be interrogated by the FBI.”
The bin Ladens’ Great Escape , Byron York, National Review Online , September 11, 2002:
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york091102.asp

[Nashyra]

24. Why not show an add

with the towers dust and an airplane flying away with a caption that asks "whose is leaving while we can't comfort our loved ones"?
And then list the bin ladens names and where they were from. At the end have one of those grave sounding voices ask "is this George Bush's real war on terror?" just an idea

[NNN0LHI]

26. kick it