If Gore announces he is not running will some folks implode?

[liberalnurse]

There is a strong tone of radical devotion to the Draft Gore movement. Will there be some sense of acceptance? Can you folks move on?

I realize your first impression is to say, "He will run, I know it." I'm not looking to debate the issue or discourage your enthusiasm....But the intensity is an all or none view...a crusader on a mission with a fundamentalist flair....a jihad......

I think it's is a bit frightening. Convience me you are not hanging on the edge.

[lcordero]

1. No, but I still want to keep speaking out.

[liberalnurse]

4. I'm comfortable with speaking up...

That is what a discussion is all about.....

But then there is the concern for the, how shall I say it, some that may not have tools to deal with dissapointment. I'd like them to get grounded.

[w4rma]

2. A Gore spokeswoman said,"He's not planning on getting back into the race."

Gore to give anti-war speech at NYU

NEW YORK, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- Former Vice President Al Gore has arranged to speak out on Iraq to an anti-war group in New York Thursday.

It will be Gore's first speech on Iraq since he came out against the Bush administration's push toward war last September.

A Gore spokeswoman said, "He's not planning on getting back into the (presidential) race."
...
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030805-094056-6957r.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=52186&mesg_id=52186

[Shanty Oilish]

3. Intense?

AFAIC, politically, Election 2000 was just yesterday. 24 hours ago and a month long.

[Booberdawg]

5. Gore is not going to jump in the race

I also hate to see people take such intense positions. When things don't work out like they want it just makes it that much harder to move on in a productive manner. There is the added "loss of face" to deal with when one takes on a "radical devotion" to one candidate.

Jihad? Yikes - I hope not. But I see what you mean, and it's not just the Gore supporters.

I have a couple favorites but so much can happen between now and end of the primaries. At least 8 camps are going to be dissapointed. (Probably more since others (besides Gore) might still enter the race) I am not going to lose sight of the primary goal - a Democrat in the White House. I'll fight for whoever the Democratic nominee is, even if I have to hold my nose when people aren't looking.

[liberalnurse]

6. When I read some of the posts....

My little "gut level alarm" gives a churn......Thats why I thought I'd process it with others.....

[Booberdawg]

7. Ahh yup

:nuke:

[Cheswick2.0]

11. awwwwwwwww, that's so sweet

and I am sure you mean it sincerely </deadpan>

[liberalnurse]

16. Yes I do.....

I'm sorry you perceive my post on the contrary.

[chimpymustgo]

8. "Radical devotion?" It's not just the Draft Gore folks.

If the shoe fits...

[liberalnurse]

9. Excuse Me?

Clarify your response.


Unless you are a podiatrist....

[Cheswick2.0]

10. Convience me YOU are not hanging on the edge

You seem to have an anti Gore jihad going. It reminds me of the fanatical tactics of the right whenever Clinton's name is mentioned. Or perhaps, your obsession is more like the media-whore's attack on Gore during the last election. Why not just stay off the Gore threads? :shrug:

[liberalnurse]

14. My focus is more of a clinical assessment.

It has nothing to do with any of the candidates themselves or their positions.....but the way some appear too invested emotionally in a pathological fashion. I am truely concerned.

[Kahuna]

12. Will YOU implode if Dean loses NH and IA?

I sense a radical devotion in you.

[liberalnurse]

15. I am passionate for Dean

and he is a candidate who is running....I can surely handle a loss with ease. I have concerns that other may not. That is what I wanted to process.

Not us against them shit, you don't like my guy..etc... Apparently you have not picked up on it so you may now be more abreast to the concern. Thats all.....

[nansocal]

13. On the gore issue

nothing can be worse than the feeling I had when the repugs stole 2000. and knowing the man who least deserves being in the white house was headed there. gore already said he is not running. so those of us in the draft gore movement do have our feet on the ground. and if he says he won't accept a draft we will accept it. but he hasn't. I hate the term move on. I will not let anyother political party steal another election. and it surprises me how quickly you let your vote be stolen. shame on us for not taking to the streets back then.I know a democrat must be put in the white house. right now no other candidate has earned my vote. we gore devotees just think he is the one who can beat bush.

[Booberdawg]

19. "shame on us for not taking to the streets"

Nobody "let" their vote be stolen. You flatter yourself.

And the LAST thing we needed was people taking to the streets! That's not how we do things in this country, and it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

I can understand now why the author of this thread is getting the feeling of a "jihad mentality".

[nansocal]

21. don't get me wrong

I don't mean by "taking to the streets" as violence. but I do recall the republicans sending people to florida . remember the crowd who bullied their way into where the folks were counting ballots and getting physical and closing down the count. they were sent by delay et.al. I just mean we could have made more noise. have you not read bugliosi's book "the betrayal of america". I heard him on the radio, say he couldn't get over how the american citizens just let it slide. he was passionate how they took our votes. and your right that's not how we do things in this country, we should not have let the felonious five pick our president. that was a coup, but I suppose that's alright with you.

[Booberdawg]

22. And what recourse did we have against the felonious five?

"that was a coup, but I suppose that's alright with you."

I don't have to take that from you.

And, what do you suggest we "should" have done about the felonious five?
Report them?? To who?
Appeal? LOL!
SUE THEM?? ROTFLOL!
Take it to the streets???

It was a coup. We were FUCKED. There was nothing we could do about it. Nothing.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[nansocal]

23. are you saying if it happens again in 2004....

we just let it? there has to be something we can do because I believe greg palast when he says they are planning it again. if there is no recourse like protesting loud (ala anti war protest) then what has this country turned into?. oh and I'm not talking of revenge , I'm saying we should never let it happen in the u.s. again. to say nothing is not an option.

[Booberdawg]

33. Now you're changing the subject

"are you saying if it happens again in 2004.... we just let it? "

Did I say that????

I've made my position pretty clear. You can have the last word in this, because I'm not buying whatever it is you are trying to sell.

[robbedvoter]

17. You will nurse us to health, I trust, non? Shock therapy, Prozac

the works - I hope you are ready!
I have just about as much trust in people who pretend they have a corner on sanity as the ones who brag about humility.

[Loonman]

18. We'll get rolled again if Gore runs

Just you watch.

[Blue_Roses]

20. Political suicide

is what would happen if Gore ran now. He has been my favorite and I was very disappointed when he announced he wasn't running. However, he just doesn't want to run. Some are saying he is enjoying the "private" life and wants to keep it that way for now. I respect that.

[JVS]

24. That's my plan

[jpgray]

25. This thread has a tone most Dean supporters claim to hate. (nt)

[Terwilliger]

26. thats a little sketchy

could you be more specific?

[jpgray]

27. "Will there be some sense of acceptance? Can you folks move on?"

You know those threads that ask Dean supporters if they'll support the nominee? This has that tone going for it. As if draft Gore folks are all emptyhead zealots that will jump ship or refuse to accept reality if their leberal messiah isn't the one.

I think that's about right. Just look at liberalnurse's posts in this thread. I can quote a few more lines, if you like.

[Terwilliger]

30. some people have unusual attachments to their pols

I think liberalnurse's question is valid on that basis. Some people invest their entire personal worth on certain candidates. Those people might encounter serious problems when confronted with realities that don't conform to their pre-conceived notions.

[jpgray]

34. This is like a form "You Deanies settle down" with Gore instead of Dean

Nobody likes these. I posted a thread months ago about a letter a friend at Macalester sent me that described exactly two self-righteous Dean supporters. I am probably still considered an anti-Dean plant by most of those who read that thread, despite having openly supported Dean for some time before its creation (doubtless that was my cover). People will come in and say "So you think we shouldn't be enthusiastic about our candidate? Nice try, you devious PR plant!" These threads are good for nobody, and even under the best intentions, they sound terribly condescending.

[jpgray]

28. Or "some appear too invested emotionally in a pathological fashion." (nt)

[blm]

29. I think the shots at Gore supporters is inappropriate.

The man deserves every devoted supporter he has and more, because he EARNED it over the years with his diligent service.

[Terwilliger]

31. like everybody else earned theirs

there are unusual attachments to some pols...the example of Clinton and George W. being the most obvious examples.

[Booberdawg]

35. Then you missed the point.

The concern expressed here was for certain (a few - not all) Gore supporters, not any reflection on Gore himself or his credentials.

[blm]

37. You missed mine...there is good reason for their devotion.

And devotion that well deserved shouldn't be held up for ridicule.

[Avalux]

32. Not hanging on the edge

and I can only speak for myself. I'd like him run again because he was cheated - the presidency was his and he should be in office right now. So, I'd kinda like to see a rematch to watch Gore really kick chimpy's ass this time.

But no, I will not implode, and I don't think he'll do it.

[Forkboy]

36. I think you're spot on

and notice how many people just tried to turn the question around on you instead of actually answering.

[election_2004]

38. liberalnurse....

I've given up even trying to reason with these people.

John Kerry could be inaugurated in January 2005, and there would still be Gore supporters screaming that Kerry should resign and Gore should assume his "rightful place" in the Oval Office (even after a completely new General Election had taken place). That's how pathological this loyalty to Gore is from many of these people.

Meanwhile, whenever any of us post how we don't want Gore as the nominee in 2004, the DraftGore Bandwagon accuse us of being "Freepers" or "Republican plants," and tell us to shut up, to go post somewhere else, to go work for Karl Rove, or that we deserve to be locked up.

They just want Democratic Underground to become their personal forum for aggrandizing a movement that is actually much smaller than they hope to trick the public into believing, with the intention of pressuring Gore to change his mind and then using the corporate whore media to manipulate the Democratic primaries in Gore's favor.

Quite disgusting, really.

I can understand admiring a political figure, but there are limits. I personally would have liked to have seen Dianne Feinstein, Russ Feingold, or Tom Vilsack run for president in 2004, but they all have announced they will NOT be running for the Democratic nomination, and I've adjusted to that reality despite my disappointment.