Freepers = Nationalists

[laura888]

Funny, you don't hear the word "nationalist" to describe die-hard republicans who claim the war and killing of Iraqi civilians are justified. But isn't that what they are?

According to Webster's Dictionary, "nationalism" is: "loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups."

Maybe we should start calling Republicans the Nationalist party.

[renegade000]

1. also

Freepers = Jingoists

[AlCzervik]

3. The Jingo's

dont understand that there is a HUGE difference between jingoisim and patriotisim.

[laura888]

4. bingo! Jingoism actually is a better definition!

According to Websters:

Jingoism is "extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy."

bingo

[stepnw1f]

2. How about the Nazi Party

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. National Socialistika Arbeiter Partei?

The GOP wouldn't like that, because it has the word "Socialist" in it.

[stepnw1f]

12. Ach Du Lieber

[cryofan]

6. Is Nationalism so Bad? I think your understanding of this area is lacking.

There are different types of nationalism. THere is imperialistic nationalism, where the ignorant masses are stirred up by propaganda in order to manufacture consent for corporate imperialism.

Then there is economic nationalism, where the citizens force the politicians to take actions on behalf of the citizens instead of corporations. Imagine that!

Are you against outsourcing? Then you just may be a Nationalist! (Thanks, Jeff!)

Are you for protecting American industry? Then you just may be a Nationalist!

Do you prefer American culture to at least one other culture? Then you just may be a Nationalist!


I do not see anything wrong with Nationalism. PLease tell me what is wrong with Nationalism.

BTW, yes, there are some Nationalists on FR. I have posted many times on FR, and no doubt many would consider me a nationalist. But do not for a SECOND confuse the nationalist posters on FR with the powerful of the GOP, or of Dems. NEITHER major party is about Nationalism in any way. More like sheeple farming....

Anywho....

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. Wouldn't you agree

that jingoism is a more apt term?

[cryofan]

9. Things are not that simple. (see my edited post above) eom

[laura888]

11. yes

this is the more apt term to describe these guys. My bad.

However - nationalism includes "exalting one nation above all others" which may mean causing other countries harm.

Still, some nationalism is definitely a good thing: I would say that U.S. corporations NEED a healthy dose of nationalism.

[Amerpie]

8. Nationalism = God Bless America

*nt*

[cryofan]

10. I disagee, and I think you are reacting in a kneejerk fashion

Read my edited post above, please.

[Old and In the Way]

14. So you agree that 5% of the world's population should consume

75% of the world's material output? I got mine, screw the rest of the world?

[cryofan]

24. With whom do YOU have a Social Contract?

I have a social contract with my fellow Americans. How about you?

[CRYINGWOLFOWITZ]

13. ultra-nationalist

is better

[renegade000]

15. or bellicose-nationalist

[Solon]

16. I have a tough time with Nationalism myself...

call me an individualist in this regard by moving away from this part of the definition: a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.

I don't believe in either national pride or consciousness, neither do I believe in colletive shame either. I will never say I am proud of something that I did not do, nor am I to claim that I am ashamed of my country for the simple fact that I do everything in my power to oppose its policies. I care about all human life and freedom, it is that simple, I do not believe that Americans or our culture is somehow superior innately to that of other nations. I find terms such as "God Bless America" as empty platitudes to appeal to our worse human trait: tribalism. Also terms such as "Proud to be an American" as logically mystifying, what is the difference between that and saying "I am Proud to be White"?

[laura888]

17. Extremely well written post. thanks. n/t

[TimMooring]

21. I agree but..

The Repulbicans are nationalists.. this is a given. If we're not careful they will take the nation and do as they will with it. Is dreaming of a new world order a pre 9/11 luxury? The republicans are trying to make it so. A world inclusive view is antithetical to the New American Century agenda. At some level national boundaries are still very much a necessity. Want to talk trade? There is a process called stepwise refinement that will have to be part of any progress towards a new era of internationalism. Right now we're going backwards not forwards so we will have to move forward from a position of retrenchment (circa 1950 in my estimate)

[Lefty48197]

18. German pronounciation: Nazi-o-nal-ish-a

.

[camero]

19. They're Sadists

They want to kill their own too if they can't find a job. All while those jobs are being shipped to the overseas sweatshop and slave labor camp.

The Republican Party= The Sadistic Party

[EstimatedProphet]

20. The National Socialist party

more descriptive.

[TimMooring]

22. If the U.S. was in Europe..

Would we qualify to join the EU? With our deficit and our trade policy? In many ways Europe seems like the new flag bearer for social and even technological development. People I meet from Europe often speak with disdain about the level of personal freedom they perceive here. The proven ability of money to form public opinion has reached an "actionable" stage where operations like Iraq are possible. I'm also curious sometimes about the question that was asked at one of the democratic debates: Mac, PC, Linux? The rest of the world is way ahead of us in recognizing the menace of "microsoft-itus". Long after gwb has had his pantys sent packing permanently back to Crawford, there will be a lingering question about the true nature of our country. Internationally people will not see the clear distinction between cheneybush and America that we do. I guess what I'm hinting at is: is opensource and the free internet movement key to advancing a green world agenda? Should we examine our personal computing habits. What do you do with your old PC when you get that new jazzed up model? They should go straight into schools with a copy of linux each.

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. No; the death penalty would be the big problem

it would definitely have to go. The US trade policy would probably have to change (though things like that are more negotiable, as long as there's a plan for convergence). The deficit would be too large for membership in the Euro, but so are France's and Germany's at the moment, so that seems very negotiable, at least for large countries.

Being in the EU means accepting the EU as superior to your own country's legislature in some areas - I couldn't see most Americans living with that in a thousand years.

[rucky]

23. The Jingos Ate Your Baby!