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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:02 PM
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Poll question: One More Time !!! --- When Do The rePublicans Start 'Jumping Ship' ???
Re-Posted For The Post-Rice Testimony\PDB Release Version. What say you NOW???

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As I recall, Tricky Dick did not resign until his own party informed him that they could not prevent an Impeachment vote in the House. In fact, some rePublicans said they would vote with the Dems TO Impeach. They saw the writing on the wall.

Now, considering the fact that the current crop of rePublicans might want to hold on to their seats in Congress more than they want to fight to the death (give up those seats) for the Boy Chimp...

When do you think we will start seeing signs of rePublican 'disloyalty' to the unelected warmonger???

:shrug::kick::shrug:

On edit: Forgot To Link To Last weeks Results, Pre-Clarke.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1275791

And the Post Clarke Results...

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1305005
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:09 PM
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1. After the election & only if * is elected
god forbid.
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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 01:04 AM
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15. Bush does not lead the GOP
Bush is not leading the Republican Party. It's the other way around. The Party leadership found a congenial, electable guy to run. It's likely they will stick by him, because they really don't have anybody more likeable/electable to replace him with at this time. Unlike the Democrats, the GOP has Party discipline Lenin would be envious of (much more so than in Nixon's time), so if significant numbers of Republicans do start defecting, you can bet they had the approval of the RNC.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:11 PM
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2. There is a Republicans for Kerry Website
http://republicansforkerry.org/

interesting comments...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:12 PM
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3. events, media coverage and responses
have become so ever-changingly dynamic, that I can't even venture to guess/predict.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:17 PM
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4. Apparently Many rePukes Are Furious With * Hiding Down In Crawford !!!
They are pissed cause they feel he ought to be on the tube defending his policies.

Not sure just how he'd do that...

But his supporters are getting VERY nervous.

:shrug:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:24 PM
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5. but it always seems to be either a) a temporary fury
or b) when push comes to shove a nose-holding (in the voting booth) fury.

For example, Paul O'Niell answering that it is likely that he will again vote for bush in November. WTF? You know the guy hates policy, is too lazy to become informed about issues - but really doesn't give a damn, is "run" by the ideologues and the policy-by-politics guys (Cheney and Rove respectively).... and you know their policies are having disasterous consequences... but in the end you are still going to vote for Bush? Shhhhheeeeeeeeez - and if that's O'Niel... well it leaves me less likely to jump at the moment and think the tide is turning. I think that it very well might turn ... and when it fully turns I think it might become a frickin' tidal wave... but I tend to think there is yet more distance we have to travel before we are close to witnessing a turning point followed by a deluge.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:23 PM
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11. I Hear Ya... Course, O'Neill Might Have Said That To Lesson The Attacks...
from the right after his book came out.

Who knows what he and other rePubs will do when they're in the voting booth.

Out-loud and in Public...

They ALL still firmly support the Chimpster.

We'll see...

:shrug:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 09:04 PM
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25. You don't think he was lying about that?
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:28 PM
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6. George Will did this morning
I was shocked at how pissed Will was on ABC this morning.

It looked like he was gonna slap Pearle.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 08:57 PM
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7. I definitely think b*shco has lost the Log Cabin Repubs plus moderates
Put a fork in him, he's done. }(
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:00 PM
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8. they're blind mice. They'll follow Bush right over the cliff
and I say "good riddance".

That's exactly where I want them to end up.

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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:12 PM
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9. Soon, when one more scandal will be the proverbial straw
I think when the CIA outing comes down with indictments or when the Cheney secret energy mtgs become public.

Further evidence: at Easter dinner today my repuke brother-in-law simply left the room when talk turned to "Bush's War". In the past he would have defended Shrub. I think they've pretty much given up on him. They still hate liberals but really are without a leader now.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 09:14 PM
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10. I didn't have to spend the day with my Repuke bro-in-law,
but I'm getting the impression from my otherwise Dem family that the guy has given up. Let's face it, these Repukes have NO arguments left.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-04 10:58 PM
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12. Kick !!!
:kick:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:00 AM
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13. Rumblings Mentioned On MTP !!!
Edited on Mon Apr-12-04 12:06 AM by WillyT
<snip>

MR. DAVID BRODER: Well, it's been a terrible week or 10 days for this country and therefore for the administration. But I think compounding it has been the fact that of all moments, the president chose this moment to disappear. At a time when the country really needs to hear from a president, from its president, and the world needs to hear from the president, he's gone silent on us, and it's inexplicable to me.

MR. RUSSERT: Ron Brownstein?

MR. RON BROWNSTEIN: Well, especially given how much they are trying to emphasize his identity as a decisive wartime leader as the core of the argument for re-election. What those numbers tell you, Tim, is that this election is primary a referendum on President Bush and his performance. The country seems to be judging him on three different variables. The economy, he has some good news, but his ratings on that are poor and may take some time to improve. Terrorism, he's under increased pressure and will be as the commission report continues, obviously, with the release of the daily briefing. But because we haven't been attacked since September 11th, his ratings on that have been strong and are likely to stay strong. And Iraq is sort of a wild card or a tipping point. The country's view of how Iraq is going and how the president is handling it is much more volatile than either of those other issues, the economy or terrorism. Very sensitive to contemporary events. It has plummeted over the last few weeks. It's brought down his approval rating with it, and when that happens, John Kerry moves into the lead.

MR. RUSSERT: I sense if there's anxiety about Iraq and anxiety about jobs and the economy, then an incumbent president has to worry?

MS. LISA MYERS: Oh, absolutely. I mean, especially one of the things the pollsters watch most closely are right track, wrong track, whether the country's at--in the right or wrong direction. And clearly this is a profound switch to find so many people who find what's going on in this country heading in the wrong direction, and that tends to be a referendum on the incumbent. But I talked to a lot of senior Republicans with a lot of political experience in the last 48 hours, and they're concerned primarily about a couple of things. They think the images coming out of Crawford are just terrible. It doesn't look like the president is in charge. It doesn't look like he's concerned. They're particularly concerned that he doesn't seem to be showing more empathy for the families and for the troops in Iraq. And no one's suggested that the president doesn't care, but it's not being conveyed to the American people. I did notice the White House has added a visit to the wounded...

MR. RUSSERT: This morning.

MS. MYERS: ...to the president's schedule, and I think they're hearing a lot from Republicans around the country, "Hey, this has got to stop. You've got to get your act together and you've got to convey that you are in charge."

<snip>

Plus...

<snip>

MR. RUSSERT: But the president has to convince the American people Iraq is a centerpiece in the war on terror, because they support him on the war on terror. If they think it's a foolish, "side venture," then he does...

MR. BROWNSTEIN: Not only a side venture, but more people are making the argument that it's actually counterproductive. I mean, there's an argument out there saying, A, that he's diverted resources, the Dick Clarke argument, or, B, that he is allowing al-Qaeda to recruit, is becoming a recruitment tool for them to recruit Islamic extremists. So that is a threat to him, no doubt.

MR. BRODER: And the calendar works against the president at this point on Iraq because he is insisting on that June 30 hand over-date. And when you asked Ambassador Bremer, "To whom are you going to hand power," his response was, "That's a good question, Tim." That is not a good answer. And when we do not know--and not only don't we in the press know, not only does Tim Russert not know, but we've had the leading members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Lugar and Senator Biden, say, "Nobody in the administration is talking to them about what we think will happen or what we want to happen in Iraq after June 30th."

<snip>

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4717276/

I just love the smell of fretting rePublicans!!!

:hi::evilgrin::hi:

On edit: spelling.... again



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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:36 PM
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17. Seems Like The rePukes Agree With Broder !!!
Looky here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=481833#

Gotta get our boy out there and show 'em who's in charge, eh???

:puke:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 12:39 AM
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14. we are already seeing it
but there is a base of freepers, dittoheads, fundie bible thumpers and true-believer neocons who will go down with HMS Bush.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:17 PM
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16. Sounds To Me Like The Rats Are Getting Restless !!!
The HMS Flying Monkey is taking on water.

:shrug:
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:48 PM
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18. when the polls show Bush will cost them their seat in Congress
then they will jump. Not before.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:52 PM
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20. I Agree, But There Is Usually A Trickle Before The Deluge !!!
I'm listening for that trickle every day now, and I'm startin to see signs.

:hi:
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 05:51 PM
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19. Already seen it.
Don't know if they're registered repug voters, but my father and friend are both pretty conservative but won't vote for Bush again.

I think instances like this will start occurring more frequently. :thumbsup:
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-04 11:18 PM
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21. Since bush lost before
the real question is, " is anyone who didn't vote for bush last time going to vote for him this time??" I don't think so. He has alienated almost everyone and only helped the rich who voted for him anyway. There were questions about his abilities before the selection and the answer was always, he'll hire good people like a CEO. Well, obviously, he didn't.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:20 PM
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22. Yeah... But I'm Hoping He Goes Down In A Manner That Takes...
the rePublican Congress with him.

There's alot of repair work to be done, and we need a Congress willing to subpoena and investigate, arrest and convict, sentence and incarcerate...

IOW - We need our Dem majority back.

:hi::bounce::hi:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:36 PM
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23. More Indications Here:
<snip>

....Mr. Bush's decision to face the press after a week in which he has largely kept out of view while vacationing in Texas is a sign of what some Republicans described as an increasingly jittery White House. Officials say they are concerned that events beyond their control, from the battlefields of Iraq to a hearing room in Washington, threaten a carefully planned re-election campaign.

Mr. Bush's senior advisers expressed confidence on Monday about his standing, citing polls showing he remains popular and is effectively tied with his likely Democratic opponent, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, even after this difficult passage. "It's been two weeks," said Matthew Dowd, a senior Bush adviser. "If these things were going to have an effect, it would have happened already."

But other Republicans close to the White House expressed concern, noting polls that revealed growing questions among Americans about where the nation is heading, a measure that pollsters historically regard as a barometer of trouble for an incumbent. Of particular note, one Republican close to the White House said, were indications that a spate of Bush television advertisements intended to undercut Mr. Kerry had been partly blunted by the distractions of Iraq and the hearings by the independent commission on Sept. 11....

<snip>

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/13/politics/campaign/13POLI.html

The rePuke anti-Kerry ads are being overshadowed (blunted) by events in Iraq!!!

WOO, HOO !!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:58 PM
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24. If I Were A rePublican, I'd Be Hangin Myself About Now, LOL !!!
What a totally pathetic performance.

My God!!!

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