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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:16 PM
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What will happen if Gore comes back?
Will Joe drop out? Will it be a blow out? Will it be a Gore/Dean head to head matchup? Will Gore win and pick Dean or Kerry as VP? Would he pick Clark?

His speech is Thursday, so he will be asked by the media. If he says I have not changed my mind or no comment that is good. If he says I want to end all speculation and stop the draft now, he means it. He has left the door open and has been making calls. Something is up, plus he is making a HUGE speech in the midst of all this! IT IS GREAT. Take advantage of this! Rally around OUR president!

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Wish Al well!
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:43 PM
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1. Four scenarios...
My odds:

15% - Discourages/Discredits Draft
5% - Announces Run
5% - Endorses Other Candidate
75% - Stays on topic about War, Bush, which opens him up to "looks like a candidate, smells like a candidate, quacks..." all over again.

As someone involved with Draft Gore, I'm obviously not getting my hopes up.
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kixot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:45 PM
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2. I don't know if it would matter much at this point.
Most people may see him throwing his hat in now as a sign of being "flakey" (which we all know is false) and the media would use that and the "sore/loserman" angle to shred him to bits. I personally don't think that there's anyone more qualified to lead this once great nation back into greatness and into the new millenium than President Al Gore but I don't know if he really stands much of a chance right now, given the blood in the water that the media frenzy is salivating at. I hope he comes through with that rumored 24-hour liberal news channel.
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incontrovertible Donating Member (643 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:57 PM
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3. Responses
Will Joe drop out?

He said he wouldn't run if Gore did, so, probably.

Will it be a blow out?

Oh hell no. Dean's already locking up a huge percentage of the grassroots base support, which Gore never even had that much of a grasp upon. Those that aren't for Dean are mostly for Hillary, oddly enough, if you believe the Iowa polls.

Will it be a Gore/Dean head to head matchup?

It's Dean's to lose already. Don't even think of telling me it's too soon - Bush was the Republican primary winner the day after he destroyed Garry Mauro in his campaign for governor, back in 1998. Dean is no outsider / maverick upstart in the same vein as Jerry Brown 1992 - he's far-and-away the real-deal frontrunner.

Will Gore win

The primary? Doubt it. The general? Doubt it. Yeah, I know he already won. Look around and ask how much that matters now. If Gore had remained totally visible and active throughout the past almost four years, despite all the punditry telling him to shut up, he'd have a much better chance. He didn't, and the uncommitted middle still has a sour Florida 2000 aftertaste.

and pick Dean or Kerry as VP?

After having generated more excitement amongst his followers than has been seen since 1992, if Dean blows his momentum bad enough to lose to Al Freaking Gore, there's no way Gore's picking him for VP. He'd be an absolute never-was ghost.

If Gore ran - and I don't think he's going to - and if he prevailed in the primaries - another big if - the most likely choice would be Lieberman, again, else he'd look like he dumped a staunch ally for purely political gain. If Lieberman came out and said, flatly, "I do not want and will not accept the nomination for Vice President," long before the primaries ended (say the day Gore announces he's back in), Gore might pick Kerry. Depends on the delegate proportions at that point.

Offhand, I'd suspect Gore would pick Graham of Florida, which alone would deny Bush Florida, most likely, and thereby the White House.

Whoever the nominee winds up being, I expect Graham as the VP nom.

Would he pick Clark?

Bzzzt. Lead balloon. In this, the most liberal city in the South, and one of the most liberal and politically active in the Western Hemisphere, I've met/seen/talked-to/heard about exactly zero Clark supporters.

Good questions, but I think excessively optimistic on the Gore front.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:41 PM
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7. Comment: Controvertible and...
Damn Rovian IMHO.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:33 PM
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4. If Gore runs
Everyone will be gone quickly except Dean

He will get plenty of press, especially from sniping at Gore, but as soon as the first primary results come in, it will be a blow-out. Gore will be the easy nominee. Maybe Sharpton will stick till the convention. Everyone else will be out early.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:36 PM
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5. Gore Will Win!!!
Gore/Dean!!!!


OR (my preference right now)

Gore/Feingold

Feincgold was the only Senator to vote against the USAPATRIOT (sic) Act. And he's a dove on Israel.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:39 PM
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6. Kerry as Gore's VP would present a sure DANGER to Gore IMHO
As a Bush blood brother from Skull and Bones ( a bunch of corporate'fascist spooks) he is the ideal VP to replace a Wellstoned President Gore under PlanRove.

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:18 AM
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11. Whatever
Suggesting that Kerry would somehow murder Gore if he's elected as VP is pretty low. Keep in mind Gore went to Harvard- he's just as "elite" as Mr. Yale Kerry.
As to the question raised by the original poster, if Gore runs, he has my full support and I will work hard in his campaign to do everything I can to ensure his victory. However, that will be a very hard battle that he will probably lose. But he will get my loyalty if he wins the Dem. nomination.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:50 PM
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8. I feel ambivalent about this
I supported him in 2000 and hate The Supreme Court, Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, and the Greens for what they did to him. I am still angry over the 2000 election.

But the other candidates have already announced and they've been raising money. It's not fair to them if Gore were to jump in at this late date. Also I think that Gore would have difficulties raising money and creating a staff.

That being said, if he were to run, he has every right to, given that he won the popular vote and lost the presidency under the horrible circumstancesin 2000. But part of me thinks he shouldn't because it would hurt the party.

Then again, whatever he does, I wish the best for him.
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LiberalLibra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:12 AM
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9. If Gore sounds like he might run the field of candidates will......
....dwindle overnight and hopefully it will be something like Gore/Dean, Gore/Clark, or maybe Gore/Edwards. Dear god but I hope he at least leaves the door open.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:17 AM
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10. The descent into Bizarro World would be complete n/t
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belab13 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:20 AM
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12. Won't happen
Al didn't drag this country into a constitutional crisis/ civil war 4 years ago when all it took was a nod of the head, and he won't upset the apple cart now. I don't claim to understand why he didn't throw his hat into the fray for 2004 but I respect his decision.



some of you need to let go of 200
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