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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:52 PM
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I'm sick of CNN. I'm ready to fight them. Who's with me?

I just got up this morning and saw Blitzer's smear-machine at work.

It's mentioned on another thread. You know what I'm talking about. They found the ONE GUY who served with Kerry who has a grudge against him and interviewed him and gave him time to air his bullshit. It was a major propaganda piece.

That did it for me. I'm ready to take on CNN and organize a class-action lawsuit against them.

What I want to do is this:

Start a non-profit organization (immediately, can it happen immediately?) so I can raise money for the legal fees.
Find lawyers who will do this.

Get donations from y'all, and around the internet.
Get people to sign up WITH the lawsuit from y'all and from around the internet.

Have a website which details the propaganda smears, with video clips from shows like this morning.

(what am I forgetting?)

I'm serious about this. I need help. I need

a. lawyers who will help me with this.

b. website people who will help me with this.

Mainly that.

I want to start a petition to get people to sign up for the class action lawsuit.

If I'm crazy, tell me. I actually have no idea HOW to do any of this stuff.

E-mail me here at maggrwaggr@yahoo.com if you want.

Or post here, or PM me.

I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. I'm sick and tired of people doing NOTHING. And expecting our so-called leaders to do something.

Our leaders ain't doing squat folks. The only way to make a corporation stop what they're doing is to fucking SUE THEM.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:53 PM
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1. If I'm not mistaken
this guy didn't even serve with him. Got in 2 months later.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:59 PM
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8. yeah wtf is that?
thats all they got?
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:54 PM
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2. We can't pay Blitzer as much as the GOP does
nt
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:34 PM
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22. Who wopuld want that Quisling and Pravda Whore on our side
Not me. I prefer the company of more honest & real human eings.

Wolf Blitzer is a characature and a Soviet Mouthpiece.

I'd piss on him, UNLESS he was on fire (in which case I would do nothing), but that's about the extent of it.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:59 PM
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29. "I'd piss on him, UNLESS he was on fire"
Man, that's FUNNY!
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usscole Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:55 PM
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3. what am I forgetting? - the First Amendment
Without it, there would be no DU.
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:58 PM
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6. hmmmm....
true...except that slander is not covered.

proving blitzer is committing slander will be VERY hard.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:05 PM
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11. Maybe not too hard-- depends on whether you want to win
Democrats.com's newsletter today had a quote from a Salon article that cited Kerry's medical report, which says that Kerry had a piece of shrapnel removed by the medic. Contradicts what CNN's lackey said. You cold sue, point that out, and try to claim that either Blitzer or one of CNN's editors knew that was false, and that they are biased against Kerry, which would imply an attempt to harm kerry-- which you would need for slander.

You might not win, but you might get attention.
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:40 PM
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24. We don't need that kind of attention
This whole issue of Kerry's medals, service, etc. needs to go away. The focus of the media should be Iraq and the economy - both winning issues for us. The rest of this personal stuff is a sideshow. After Bush released his National Guard records the story doesn't even register any longer. Kerry needs to do the same thing.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 03:36 PM
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36. like they give away purple hearts and other medals
Kerry earned every medal he has, he is a war hero. Why they are trying to discredit this aspect of Kerry I believe is to their disadvantage because you don't get these types of medals for doing nothing in the military.

If anything, Bush should be concerned about his own military record (or lack of!).

I think that Kerry's campaign has not yet gotten off the ground. There are still 6 mos. to go. Maybe Bush will spend all of his money before the horses make their final run around the track. He'll be the one placing last I believe.

Worry not I say, the election is 6 mos. away.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 05:17 PM
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61. Good point.
My father in law retired from the Secret Service after 30 years...and after Vietnam, where he was shot in the face(!). Anyway, he now works for The Order of the Purple Heart, where his job is solely to give purple hearts to those who deserved them but never received them. It's a hard fight often, and I know from his experiences that they do not give these awards away.

BTW, where are Bush's war medals for defending Texas from rogue Caribbean nations during that minor conflict in Vietnam?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 03:54 PM
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39. Exactly the opposite
Kerry wants the focus to be on this, because it proves he's being lied about, and it highlights his military record. Bush doesn't want the focus on the military, because it highlights Bush's lies, and it could just lead to some evidence that Bush is lying. And it highlights Bush's cowardice. And the more the question is asked, the more often Bush has to lie, and thus the more he gets caught.

This is exactly the type of attention Kerry needs. And that we need.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 04:29 PM
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41. Yes, it's a very desperate move
What the Shrubites don't seem to get is that Kerry didn't decide to award himself medals--they were given to him by an independent power. It was their decision to give him those Purple Hearts and that Silver Star.

If Shrub is SO disconcerted by this, then he can go down to a Salvation Army and buy a dress uniform. Maybe if he's lucky there will be medals on it--then he can can claim he won them. Dirty bastard.
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InflateableLove Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:12 PM
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51. Big problem here.
Kerry ASKED for the Purple Hearts. That is the sad fact.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:35 AM
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56. BULLSHIT
I'm a Veteran and that's complete and utter bullshit.

you CAN'T ASK for medals of this stature, they are AWARDED to you by upper commmand.

Now if you had said that just about anyone can GET one, even those that fall on screwdrivers during battle, I'd accept that, and that is true..


but don't BS us..
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 03:54 PM
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40. Exactly the opposite
Kerry wants the focus to be on this, because it proves he's being lied about, and it highlights his military record. Bush doesn't want the focus on the military, because it highlights Bush's lies, and it could just lead to some evidence that Bush is lying. And it highlights Bush's cowardice. And the more the question is asked, the more often Bush has to lie, and thus the more he gets caught.

This is exactly the type of attention Kerry needs. And that we need.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:02 PM
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9. Free speech isn't the issue.
The issue is the corporate media and propaganda. There is no marketplace of ideas when only one viewpoint is presented.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:09 PM
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12. Not necessarily
We need Shocks on this one, but it would seem to me (a non-lawyer) that you could argue that CNN is a corporation, or part of a corporation, and was defrauding the public by spreading false information deliberately (since there is a lot of proof this is a false story, CNN has to know) to gain financially by influencing an election that would result in tax cuts for their corporation. Thus, you aren't trying to sue the press, just an advertising firm.

Maybe worth a try. A lawyer could do better than what I just did.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:29 PM
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17. that's the angle I want to take. False advertising basically
I want to go after them, Wolf himself (to put a face on it) and every cable and satellite provider that subscribes to CNN.

I want to force them to change their name and their promotional blurb (the most trusted name in news -- puke) and force them to call themselves what they are -- an advertising firm.

They are not news. They are not journalism. They are PR and advertising and nothing else.

I got nothing to lose here.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:58 PM
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28. false advertising---FTC
perhaps using the FTC, RICOH (sp?)---might be a tactic.

throw everything in the bag at them, see what sticks.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:55 PM
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4. I'll write you a check, maggrwaggr!
PM me if you get this thing going with the website donation info.

You have my full support (even my time if I have any leftover from the Kerry Campaign).

:toast:

Go get 'em!

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:30 PM
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20. great. thanks!
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:57 PM
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5. Wouldn't it just be easier
to find a like-minded lawyer to work for free?
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:29 PM
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18. that would be great if I could find one
The search starts now.

Anybody got any leads? :) I have exactly one.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 12:59 PM
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7. You have
my time, money and anything else you need from me.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:30 PM
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19. excellent. thank you
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:03 PM
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10. See my post to you on other thread about "Phone Banks" to call and
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 01:04 PM by KoKo01
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:13 PM
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13. Organize a march on CNN's headquarters
Instead of our MoveOn marches on DC and New york, which the media ignored, march in front of their studios. Block their drives, do whatever is legal, and if they still don't cover it, break laws. You will get attention.

But you will need documented cases to prove your point, and you have to prove that CNN could have been reasonably expected to know the truth, but reported a lie anyway. Otherwise they just claim they were fooled by an unreliable source. Of course, even if all you do is point out the CNN was wrong on a lot of cases, you get attention, and you might make them a bit less obvious in the future.

The NYT, the WP, MSNBC and FOX could use a nice picket, too. At MSNBC carry signs asking why Scarborough obstructed justice in Lori Klausitas's death.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:38 PM
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23. I agree
Picket the bastards. They need to know they are being held accountable by viewers. I am nowhere near Atlanta, however, so I can't participate myself.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 03:50 PM
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38. I'm not close, but I'd get there for that. nt
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:14 PM
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14. I have been CNN-free all day. Tomorrow, I plan on telling them about it.
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 01:15 PM by Ilsa
I've been in a much better mood today without listening to Wolf B. or any other GOP shill. But I'd love to see Fairness in Media again. I'm sick of these one-sided attacks against Dems by the corporate machine.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:25 PM
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15. I don't know about the lawsuit
I mean, the first amendment...ya know? Who knows, maybe there's some strange and creative angle one could take...

I'm graduating from law school this spring. I remember going over class actions in civ pro two years ago - they're kinda hard to do.

But hey keep us updated. If something gets going I'd be happy to contribute.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:27 PM
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16. in the meantime....
...I have copped some direct contact numbers from a freeper who has a top media list.

If you want to get some attention, let's start calling and faxing these bigwigs. Recruit five friends to do the same thing. Don't abuse the bigwigs, just make sure they know how you feel about the people's airwaves being used for partisan purposes. Have a specific example in mind and be courteous but firm.

CNN NEWS CHIEF Eason Jordan. 404.827.5111. fax: 404.827.4215. eason.jordan@cnn.com
CNN NEWS DIRECTOR Kim Bondy. 404 827 1500. fax. 404 827 1099
CNN NEWSROOM 404.827.1500 . 404.827.1500. cnnfutures@cnn.com
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. wow, those are great contacts, grasswire.
I'm gonna start faxing them now.

Let's go.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:47 PM
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25. It's really weird how CNN is behaving the past few years.
When Clinton was president, the freepers labeled them the "Clinton News Network". It appears word got out to the CNN executives and they believed it. Maybe we should start calling them the "Cowering News Network"!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. GovCorp Network
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 03:39 PM
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37. I still see that about CNN
Why is it called the Clinton News Network? I've never found them to be very nice to President Clinton recently. I think they need to forget that label because it just doesn't fit and I don't think it ever did.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:49 PM
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26. wow! I already got my first hate mail!
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 01:51 PM by maggrwaggr
feel free to help me with responding to this guy. :)



Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:06:05 GMT
To: maggrwaggr@yahoo.com
Subject: You're an IDIOT!
From: ragumbi@netzero.com  


I've got a better idea. Why don't you get a job, then get a life. If
you are sitting around surfing the net all day racking up a 1,000 plus
posts on DU, you are costing someone money. Who pays your bills you
worthless piece of crap? Keep dreaming, it's all you have.


Well, Ragumbi,

I have a job. Unlike you, who has to slave for a living every single day, I only have to work a few days a month in order to enjoy a higher standard of living than you could possibly imagine!

That probably means I'm smarter than you, but i wouldn't want to jump to conclusions.

Maggrwaggr
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. You should have told him that his IP service fits him.
What a zero.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 01:55 PM
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27. How to shut down the machine? Buy the machine out from under them
hostile takeovers...

get enough $$ together to buy them out, then fire those you don't want to keep and hire those you want.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 02:01 PM
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31. Two more examples of great minds thinking alike
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 02:26 PM by rocknation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1448198&mesg_id=1448236">Hit me with your best shot--fire away!

Top Ten Reasons Why The Media is Trolling for Bad Press About Kerry

I sent them an e-mail this morning, also mentioning the "Yawning Kid" affair and that Saudi prince just happening to come up with their phone number. We have to do SOMETHING--the publicity alone would hurt. Maybe some kind of national "Media Blitz" protest march. The mainstream media is Bush's only asset, and we have to put some dents in it SOMEHOW.

:headbang:
rocknation
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 03:28 PM
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35. Working link to "Hit Me With Your Best Shot..."
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 02:06 PM
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33. Contact the National Lawyers Guild
Good progressive attorneys that work toward social justice.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 02:56 PM
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34. Sigh! I know what you mean, my friend...
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 03:01 PM by calimary
Let me just get through the routine ...

Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts – updated April 14, 2004– in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1413842#

IF THEY THINK WE DON’T CARE, THEY WON’T, EITHER!

... Thank you for your patience.

I can remember a thread here awhile back, that hashed this one out. I'm sorry I don't have the link. People in general were eager to do SOMETHING, but there were some voices that sounded knowledgeable and credible in legal circles who were saying this would not work and wouldn't be a good idea or a good use of resources. I MYSELF DO NOT KNOW. And certainly no resolution to this issue was achieved in that thread!

While I do not know that end of the business, having never been sued, what I DO know is this:

I put a lot of time in on the radio and some time on tv - won't bore you with the details - and I always tried to be scrupulously aware of the filter or viewpoint or bias I might be bringing to a report, or a newscast, and to try to keep everything as uncolored as possible, unless I was called upon to give an opinion. In that case, I would clearly identify it as an opinion - MY opinion, and not sheer fact. I never specialized in legal issues, even while having covered quite a few court proceedings. I'm sure I wasn't perfect on this alert, but I tried hard to be vigilant when I thought it was important - in such situations as coverage of local elections, politics, ballot measures, spending controversies, protests and other stuff. I covered entertainment, though, so I'm not a legal specialist.

I also know that, since I retired, I've paid more attention to my opinion side, and I'm pretty much a flat-out partisan now. As such, I've become ESPECIALLY aware of the right-ward bias in news presentations.

It can be anything - like, for example, the monopolies of subject matter (wall-to-wall Limbaugh & Sons) to the guest line-up (Scarborough, last night I think it was, ran a quick preview of the next several shows. In four out of the next five shows, the lead guest was a prominent republi-CON) to the make-up of panelists (numerous times on CNN, MSNBC, certainly Pox, and the conventional networks - reaction to something involving the White House will be presented from - a republi-CON - either a party player or someone from a right-wing think tank or a right-wing op/ed person or commentator. Only. Nobody at all from the left, or from the Democratic Party, or any such thing.

Or, if there IS someone invited on, representing a liberal view, it will be on a four-person panel wherein the three other panel members are conservative. Or you have a moderate, with a conservative, with an even more staunch conservative, and also a complete reactionary. I saw one group in which the only Democrat was Donna Brasile - who seems, on camera, to be relatively mild-mannered, and plays way too graciously with hard-ball'ers like the three others with whom she shared that panel.

I'm old enough to remember Watergate. I'm old enough to remember a little bit about JFK. I'm CERTAINLY old enough to remember what was done to Clinton. This is the worst I have EVER witnessed. Here in L.A. I used to belong to a local broadcast news group which had a legal arm - comprised of lawyers who worked in the legal department of one of the networks or the pr firms who were members and associate members, or lawyers getting into the idea of public relations or hopeful of landing a job as an on-air "legal analyst." The only time I remember our group's lawyers going to bat for something was in freedom-of-information-type cases wherein cameras and mikes were banned from some courtroom. And, as I mentioned, taking legal action was argued against in another thread.

THAT SAID, I would DEARLY LOVE to see some such thing happen, ANYWAY! You make a strong and valid point about litigation, or the threat of same, being possibly the ONLY way to get a corporation's or organization's attention or effect change. A VERY worthy point. We've certainly seen it proven before. I remember hearing a lawyer in private practice, years ago, give a speech about lawsuits against the police department. He said lawyers in small-proportion civil cases aimed to make a statement with their lawsuits: if the police chief or the police commission knew this was going to cost them the financial equivalent of another police car, it'd get their attention.

I think numerous things have to be in play along with this. I always like to remind people to call somebody and complain. Or send an email or fax. Or - BEST OF ALL - write a letter, or postcard. Something in writing that can be held in the hand, waved around, passed around, and rather hard to ignore. Further, I remember reading in another thread here about 2 years or so ago that a woman got a correction in the New York Times for their erroneous low-balling of the numbers of protestors at one of the big anti-war gatherings in the run-up to the Iraqi invasion. The lady wrote a letter. She outlined her complaint as professionally and credibly as she could. She signed off - CC'ing it to the Washington Post and several other media outlets, including an organization of White House reporters. Message: A complaint of factual errors TO the New York Times ABOUT the coverage in New York Times, sent also to the attention of the New York Times' competitors. New York Times people now are no-doubt painfully aware that now the other guys all know somebody caught them with their pants down, too. And the other guys know they know, and it's further underscored that a LOT of other guys know. So, evidently, the New York Times was moved to correct the record, because it was shamed into it before all of its peers. And by a CIVILIAN, no less! The CC'ing idea was brilliant. REALLY got that puppy out there. Every new complaint deserves mileage.

Those who urge letters to the editor - let me second that, myself! Conservatives and neocons have dominated the landscape because THAT'S ALL PEOPLE EVER HEAR. The other side, the "Silenced Majority," doesn't speak up with enough of a roar. For example, how active, noisy, obvious have any of us been about Air America? Promoting it? Calling the local stations that carry it and saying thank you - or that you're a happy new listener as a result? Calling a talk station (or more) in your area and asking if they're planning to offer Air America because you, as a listener, would like to listen to it and you do not listen to the conservative-only stuff available now.

There has to be a more aggressive effort by those of us who can - to do even just a little bit more, to add heft and momentum to any legal stink or other higher-octane campaign. Maybe a call or series of calls - more than one day a week? Or if you haven't yet done so at all, perhaps designating five minutes, on ONE morning a week, to call on something. Maybe emails to two or three newspapers or news writers - if you were going to write one at all. If you'd planned to call your congressperson, consider making TWO calls - to your rep, AND SOMEBODY ELSE'S. Or do the "Daily Three" - both your senators and your congressperson. Or make a random call to some senator or representative you've never called before. Democrat OR republi-CON. All of 'em need to hear FROM US, ABOUT OUR SIDE.

This kind of individual activism can add up. Like one brick after another into the wall. But it needs to come steadily from numbers of us "Good Guys," not just one here and there. True, every single communication - a phone call, a letter, an email, is just a single communication. But it adds up! And each single communication is conventionally regarded as being representative of many more - from those who share the opinion but are either unable or unmotivated to communicate, themselves. So THAT COMPONENT, TOO, ADDS UP. And at THAT volume, it starts to make a difference.

It MUST BE FURTHER UNDERSCORED, WHILE MAKING THE COMMUNICATION, that THEY work for YOU - as in your elected representatives on Capitol Hill (and locally, and technically, the pResident and his regime also), and the editors, news directors, writers, producers, reporters, anchors, and pundits, all draw their paychecks because people like YOU buy their sponsors' products and tune in to watch their programs, thereby contributing to their ratings and revenue. They should be reminded that they serve at your pleasure as a taxpayer/voter, and a viewer/listener/reader/subscriber/consumer, and that you are EXTREMELY aware of this fact at all times. They get pressure from the board room all the time. They need pressure from OTHER sources, besides! Because, too often, I think these people forget that they serve more than one constituency. Frankly, their board members need to be reminded of that, also.

Not to divert from your original objective - of some sort of legal action. Discussing it here is a first step. There will be other legal experts here, or just a degree or two removed, who can weigh in with specifics. Or alternatives. I'm just nagging, hard, for a strong and powerful undercurrent - a backdrop - to support and enhance the punch potential of the larger action. And we need some noisy high-profile person, like maybe an Al Sharpton, to stand up and start making more waves for us. He gets attention, and coverage, and reaction. He forces people to react to him. THAT is what we need.

The opponent is a many-headed beast. It is really a multi-pronged attack. The more people aiming in the same direction from disparate points of origin, the more likely we'll be to score some bull's eyes. Besides, more voices and more pushing and more aggitating and lobbying and nagging more than proves that the bigger endeavors aren't just isolated malcontents, crying in the wilderness. We cannot be dismissed if we're big and loud enough. We need a few of those on OUR side. They come at us from every angle. That's how we need to come at them. But that means that we all have to do something, even if it's one small thing, and not just assume that "somebody else is gonna get involved so I don't have to," or that "it's not going to make a difference anyway, so what's the use?"

GREAT good fortune on this. I'll be glad to do what I can. YIKES! Sorry this is so long...
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 05:32 PM
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42. good post, Calimary. However --
I don't think CNN gives a damn what we, or anybody else who is part of their viewership, thinks of them.

They know they have a captive audience because they're on cable, they know they're "the most trusted name in news" and they are getting their orders from SOMEbody as far as what to tell the people.

I honestly don't think complaining will do anything. However, I am all for making as much NOISE as possible to them. Because maybe I'm cynical, maybe they get so many phone calls and faxes and the like from the right-wing nutcases out there that they think they're giving people what they want.

But Wolf is another story. He is, as is abundantly clear to us, a shill for Bushco and he is going out of his way to use his position as a "journalist" to work for Bush.

I'd call this a conflict of interest. I'd call it dishonest. And I'd call it an abuse of power given to him by whatever body gives CNN its ability to be part of the lineup that the cable providers give its subscribers.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 05:36 PM
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43. another angle I think I can use --
Cable TV is regulated by some branch of the US government. (does anybody know what branch?)

They regulate the spectrum of cable channels.

CNN is part of the lineup that is government approved to provide a service.

It is, in a very real way, something of a monopoly. More like part of an oligopoly.

If your only access to news is cable tv, who do you have? CNN, FOX (what a joke) and MSNBC. That's it.

In other industries, whether it's banks, electricity, or cars, big oligopolies are heavily regulated.

An angle here is that CNN should not be allowed to be one of these "news" providers if they aren't providing News, or if they are in fact abusing their position as one of these powers in order to further a political objective.

Anyway, I'm waiting to hear from the one lawyer I know. :)

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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 05:55 PM
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44. Someone should tell CNN that being Fox-Lite does not work..
Just ask MSNBC. And they are wondering why its ratings are so low. I got an idea for you CNN why dont you just report the news objectively? They USED to be respected then some lunkhead there thought it would be a good idea the try and be like Fox. Now they are nothing but has beens chaseing the scumbags at Fox news.
Sigh! Ted where are ya when we need ya buddy!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 05:59 PM
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45. I floated the idea of a lawsuit against CNN...
sometime ago. My idea, and I am NOT a lawyer, was to charge that CNN coverage amounts to an in-kind contribution to the Republican party and the Bush campaign, far above the legal limit. I would name CNN "political director" Tom Hannon, a person about whom I can find very little information through Googling, and others up the corporate ladder. It is Hannon, I assume, who employs Bill Schneider as "senior political analyst," putting him on the payroll of both CNN and the right-wing think-tank AEI; places Judy Woodruff at the anchor desk of "Inside Politics"; and assigns Candy Crowley to cover, and savage, Democratic candidates. CNN might be able to counter that Blitzer's blatant partisanship is balanced by Aaron Brown, and often Lou Dobbs. But the entire CNN political operation (with the possible exception of a new guy I haven't seen -- Carlos?) serves Karl Rove, Bush, and the RNC.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:04 PM
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47. that's an interesting idea
I like it and I'm gonna see if it can stick.

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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 06:01 PM
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46. Some good aspects....
Lou Dobbs...the rest of CNN is crap....
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InflateableLove Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:07 PM
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48. No chance. See CBS, 60 minutes, Woodword, Clarke etc
We got our airtime and they will get theirs. Duh. We just need to help CBS provide our view and ignore those against us.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:11 PM
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50. but that's not the point
the point is that the corporate media has quit telling the truth and has let down the country and the biggest point of all:

democracy in this country will FAIL unless we have an honest, truthful, and free media.

You can kiss this country as you know it GOODBYE if we don't do something about this.

The politicians ain't gonna do it -- look at what happened to Howard Dean when he said he'd take 'em on. They're not gonna touch it.

The media ain't gonna touch it cause, well, they're the media.

Who else is there?

Just us, folks. The courts. There's gotta be a way.
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InflateableLove Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:23 PM
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53. Dan Rather and Peter Jennings are all over Bush
They are the people most of America hers. What is the problem with some minor detractors rubbing against the network pro-Kerry media? Relax...Kerry will win it with the right spin.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:08 PM
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49. Okay! I've heard back from my first lawyer contact!
And unfortunately I did not get a good answer.

They said that basically nobody would take the case because it would be thrown out of court as a "frivolous" lawsuit and therefore I (or "we") would have to then pay the opposing party's legal costs.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . . .


Here's one immediate thought:

Say "to hell with it", file the case anyway, raise enough money to PAY those costs, and make a big-ass publicity stunt out of the whole thing.

Play it up big time with the help of some real PR people.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm ..........

There have GOT to be other options and I'm going to keep after this, don't worry, I'll keep everybody posted.

There HAS to be a way to do this and I'm going to figure one out.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:31 PM
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54. The FCC is the Govt. Agency. Colin Powell's Son heads it. There are
Edited on Wed Apr-21-04 11:33 PM by KoKo01
only 2 Democrats on the 5 member Commission. We had a big DU and Move On.org. effort to stop "Media Deregulation." Forced Powell to have district meetings to get local opinion, and phoned and faxed Congress.

We won! Then the Repugs in Congress watered the bill down, and we don't know where it stands today.

Going after the FCC would take bigger guns that any of us have and more money than we have unfortunately.

I still say a phone bank activist effort might be worth it because of the Janet Jackson incident when people all over the country called in during the Super Bowl. Poor Janet was big news for a week and now they are going after censuring Stern and toning down some of the TV shows because of it.

Calimary has some good thoughts in her post. And Paul Begala did say in an article up on Buzzflash last year that Phoning works the best. The right wing has their e-mail banks and phone calls (tune into C-Span's Washington Journal some morning an listen to the phone calls of the idiots who call there. Don't tell me they aren't paid and given their "talking points." The grammar is terrible and they don't know what they are talking about, but they are part of the RW troops who are told to call shows and make a stink.

Keep at it. You may be successful! Don't want to shoot down your hope. Just cautioning like Calimary that there are other ways to do it if you can get a large enough group. DU is probably too disorganized right now, and many folks are tired from the efforts last year to Stop FCC De-reg. and Fight against Iraq Invasion, then the Campaigns took the rest of our energy. It might do some of us good to have a new cause to work for and bring DU'ers together like we were in the old days to try a Phone Campaign, but on the other hand it might "crash and burn."

Good Luck. Something has to be done.

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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:45 AM
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57. Sorry, won't work
There are two primary problems with this:

1) Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides that a judge may punish a lawyer and/or his client for filing a frivolous suit. I think all states have similar Rules 11.

2) The lawyer runs the risk of suspension or even the loss of his license. The Model Rules of Professional Conduct (think of it as a lawyers' ethics code) and all state Rules of Professional Conduct deem it unethical for a lawyer to file a frivolous lawsuit.

Someone earlier mentioned the possibility of buying them out... Really, that is the only way it can work. None of the other legal means proferred here will work.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-04 11:14 PM
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52. we become the media
is how i'm fighting at my site...
http://globalfreepress.com

i am working on a screensaver that will scroll headlines from progressive sources ;->

let me know if you need any help with a site or advice, etc...

gl :toast:

peace
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 02:09 AM
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55. I'm trying to think what power we have on our side...
to combat media bias. If the DNC, or the Kerry campaign, complained the media would portray the complaints as "whining." When I think of power on our side, I think of MoveOn, in terms of money, numbers of people, and visibility. I'm wondering if anyone has a connection to MoveOn, and if it would be possible to incorporate a media watch as part of its efforts. An example would be a Wolf Blitzer alert, outlining recent on-air incidents involving him, sent out to MoveOn members, urging them to contact CNN, and a concurrent press release. Similar could probably be done with Candy Crowley, Bill Schneider and Judy Woodruff, or the entire CNN political operation could be combined in an alert. The problem, of course, extends beyond CNN, to other media outlets.

A separate website, as you are thinking about, is also an idea. I don't know how it gets going, and gets enough publicity to make a difference, but that's not to say it could not be done.

Media bias may be the most important obstacle facing us in this election. I think John Kerry has better political instincts than Al Gore, but it doesn't matter what Kerry does on the campaign trail if the media is determined to "Gore" him.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 07:22 AM
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58. Cable "news"
is a blatant propaganda arm of the extreme right. They ought to be forced to follow rules and spending limits of the FEC just like every other political group.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 05:00 PM
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59. kick
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-04 05:07 PM
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60. They are misrepresenting facts--it's horrible
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