Cruz Bustamante is Calif State Campaign Chair for Joe Lieberman

[eablair3]

I didn't know too much about Bustamante. So, I was interested in learning about this, I can't stand Lieberman. This certainly helps in forming my opinion on Bustamante. No way would I vote for Cruz. Anyone who back Lieberman is out in my book.

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/lieberman/lieborgca.html

http://www.hispanicvista.com/html3/060903gp.htm

http://www.joe2004.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5297&JServSessionIdr009=uhmaxtjl1x.app20a&news_iv_ctrl=1001

[CMT]

1. its not as black and white as that

for gosh sakes Al Gore himself elevated this man to be VP. Cruz is a good man and a top elected vote getter in California. If Davis is recalled it only makes sence to vote for the Lt. Gov to replace him.
Also such staunch liberals as Barbara Boxer and Loretta Sanchez have supported Cruz over the years.

[eablair3]

3. and that was a huge mistake by Gore

yes, how could Gore actually have picked Lieberman to be his VP candidate? That was incredibly stupid. My statement above applied there, too. I think that decision to select Lieberman as his VP candidate cost him the White House.

[Gman]

5. You must be new to politics...

So just sit back and watch. You might learn something. The world didn't begin the day you got interested in politics.

[Terwilliger]

15. Lieberman as choice for VP had to be the worst thing he could have done

the worst

[dolstein]

27. Then you'd agree that Gore is an idiot, a liar or possibly both

Because he's said repeatedly that selecting Lieberman as his running mate was the best decision he made during the campaign.

[edward]

17. Stop insulting people, and you might learn something.

nt

[cherryperry]

4. CMT, you are right!

I certainly didn't know he is involved with Lieberman's campaign, but I can still vote for him. I have to believe there's some old quid pro quo going on here. He certainly never was a progressive liberal, but I've always perceived as better than a moderate liberal and I will be able to vote for him. Davis has RUINED our state; he's a two-faced phoney and I can't stand missing the opportunity of being able to replace him w/o having Ahnold stepping in :grr: !

[joeybee12]

2. His power grab by running in the recall

made me hate him. Is there an emotion greater than hate--reading this made me feel it!

[dfong63]

9. let's be fair to cruz

he's not making a power grab. he's just being sensible by refusing to follow Davis's own self-serving strategy of trying to deny democrats a CHOICE on the ballot.

[ronnykmarshall]

11. His slogan:

Recall - NO! Cruz Bustamante - Yes!

I was never a big supporter of this "no Democrats allowed" campaign. I can understand the logic, but even Governor Davis said yesterday that it might have been a wrong idea.

[edward]

18. No democrats in recall is good strategy.

Fact is, it is a republican who financed the recall. Dems(Clinton) right to paint this as another attempt at Republican coup.
Recall will not be successful; any Democrat on ballot will have no future in the party.
But seeing Bustamante association with Lieberman....enough said here at DU already.

[davidinalameda]

22. it's the worst strategy possible

Davis is a very poor governor. Yes, he got screwed by the energy companies last year, but he has done nothing to help the progressives in this state.

He vetoed at least a couple of gay rights bills last year. He vetoed a bill to allow undocumented workers the right to have a driver license. Only this year has he signed more progressive bills into law, hoping to get the progressive wing of the party on board for the recall.

Honestly, the idea of recalling anyone less than a year after they were elected for no good reason other than his approval ratings were in the toilet is wrong. I don't care if the politician was Democrat, Republican, Green or Libertarian.

I just hope that the law is changed after this whole mess.

[edward]

23. Not talking about whether Davis is a good governor.

And it has been several years since I lived in California.
My problem is with any Democrat supporting the recall effort in any way whatsoever.
It is most certainly a republican attempt at another coup. Even if Davis is not doing a good job, the people who want him out(organized it) will do worse for California.

[Jack Rabbit]

28. Incorrect

Running as a replacement candidate does not mean one supports the recall. It means that one beleives that he should be governor in the event that Davis is recalled. Whether you or I like it or not, all signs are that Davis is going down.

It would not be a contradiction for Bustamante to say that he is the best qualified replacement candidate and that the recall should be defeated. I still wish Feinstein had gotten in to say that, but I'll settle for Bustamante. Somebody has to say it.

The idea that to run as replacement is to support the recall is nonsense brought to us courtesy Terry McAuliffe. Now there's somebody who should be recalled.

[robbedvoter]

12. Hate him more than the other Dumb-ocrats, or especially

him? You seem to have a problem with a feeling that usually energizes people not allied with us.

[thom1102]

6. It really won't matter soon,

Cause Joe is licked, and he knows it. He won't make it through September IMHO

[David__77]

7. so what?

I don't like Lieberman, but I don't think it matters.

Bustamante will be a progressive governor if elected and the recall succeeds. I think he's the one, and further infighting will be highly damaging at this time.

[jiacinto]

8. Do you want the Republicans to take over California

Then again, because Lieberman is the Devil or the Anti-Christ at DU, in spite of what the real facts are, I guess that you would punish Bustamente for guilt by association.

Then again there are all too many DUers who are more concerned about defeating Democrtas than actually winning.

[ronnykmarshall]

13. Ain't that the truth!

[ronnykmarshall]

10. OH MY GOD NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

GASP!!! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!! DEAR JESUS!!!! NO! NO! NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Why I CAN'T vote for ANYONE that even SPOKE to Liberman! Why, why ... I betcha Bustamante is even LATINO!! That's just an act! He was born a white man and spent thousands, no MILLIONS of dollars on surgery and vocal training to speak fluent spanish! He hired this phoney family to play his "latino" family. All so one day, he could become the Lt. Governor of California, jump into this recall and become GOVERNOR!!!

Ya know what??? I bet he ain't even a DEMOCRAT!!!! He's really a really a white, male REPUBLICAN!!!!!!

Oh thank you, thank you, THANK YOU Eablair for showing my the light!

GLORY!!!

[Terwilliger]

14. AAAAAAAAAAAACK

Ok, I'm going to go OD now...that whole "reality" nonsense is for the BIRDS!!!

:nuke:

[BrotherBuzz]

16. Bustamante needs Doerr's support

John Doerr, a big mover and shaker in Silicon Valley, was a huge Gore backer and now supports Lieberman. Bustamante jumped on board because he needs Doerr's money and support for his 2006 gubernatorial war chest. I see this adding up to nothing, Lieberman disappears and Bustamante still has Doerr's support. No big deal in my book (well, a little case of kiss ass, but remember, this is politics!).


a little more on Doerr

<snip>
Given his political action -- and his connections -- some insiders speculate that the Democrats may nominate a Gore-Doerr ticket in 2004. To that, Doerr scoffs. "No way," he told the San Francisco Chronicle. "I wouldn't be good at it. Everyone is out to kill you. I don't have the thick skin."
<snip>

[nolabels]

19. I have no problem with people indorsing other things or people

This in no way mean one need follow them. I like the Ideal of the governor of my state being able to communicate with in both languages. The effing Teamsters leadership just endorsed the enabler, does that mean I should quit my job? This was just another end around the rank and file. They buried the wrong Hoffa under the goal post, as far I am concerned.

If Cruz gets in this would be a good thing, my neighbors, my coworkers and a whole lot of others would benefit with such a thing happening

http://www.dickgephardt2004.com/plugin/template/gephardt/Welcome/*
(snip)
August 1, 2003

Teamsters to Endorse Gephardt

The Associated Press reports: "The Teamsters officially endorsed Democrat Dick Gephardt for president Friday after an unanimous vote of the union's leadership, officials said. Teamsters support of Gephardt deals a blow to the Bush campaign, which has tried to chip away at labor's support for Democrats."

Bret Caldwell, spokesman for the 1.3 million member union, who "confirmed that an endorsement decision was reached but refused to identify the candidate," said of Gephardt, "He's certainly the best candidate for working families and has stood strong with the Teamsters throughout his entire career."
(snip)

I thought I was going to be sick when I heard about that :puke:, but its all a matter of taking it in stride, I hope guilt by association does't turn everybody into a herd of...........
:evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin:

[ronnykmarshall]

20. YOUR union endorsed Gephardt??

Wait a minute, let me process this and make it clear. YOUR union. The union that is YOUR'S is supporting Gephardt.

Oh my god ...... I have to take a deep breath here. You're telling me that YOUR union endorsed Gephardt for PRESIDENT???

Well that makes YOU the enemy. Sorry, no way around it. Take your Gephardt union endorsement ass outta here RIGHT now, pal.

YOU can not be trusted!

Oh the things we are finding out TODAY!!! GLORY!!

[nolabels]

21. Okay I confess it's not my union, they just assimilated me

I had decent job that worked well, then one of them G.E conglomerates -step- childs got financed to buy my employers out.

I was lucky the workers at the place were Teamster Union Brothers and the company that sold out had a stipulation of keeping all the employees for a year.. Hell I was trying to get in the a good Union job for years. Just didn't think I would get sucked up into the belly of the beast in the process

Like I said should I quit my job, or just stop breathing so I don't use air other people might need?

[Jack Rabbit]

24. This has to do with what?

If I vote for Bustamante, I am voting for Bustamante, not Lieberman.

Besides, I think Bustamante will have to find a new candidate to support by the time the primary rolls around next spring.

[nolabels]

26. Exactly

Vote for No Recall first, second vote for the legal replacement barring a recall. If the republicans want to spend their money making all of us go down to register another vote for the system, that would be their problem.

I just hope Darrel Issa takes it a little better, sure feel sorry for him ;-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=149617

[Alexander]

25. Oh, Jesus. Get off your freaking high horse.

Chris Dodd, not to mention most of the Democratic officeholders in Connecticut support Lieberman. Yet I'm smart enough to realize that they're good people and mostly liberal, and I'll have no qualms about voting for them again.

Fine, don't vote for Cruz, but don't whine and throw a temper tantrum when McClintock or Simon or Arnie completely destroys your state, because you will have helped it happen.

[David Zephyr]

29. As Of Tonight, I'll Be Voting for Bustamante

I oppose the Recall with every fiber in my body, but if Bustamante is on the ballot and the ballot remains as it is as of tonight, I will also then vote for Bustamante. His support of Lieberman makes no difference to me.