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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:11 PM
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One of the American torturer is a black guy?
Edited on Thu May-13-04 09:26 PM by cat_girl25
What a shame! A lot of blacks in this country will catch a lot of hell because of him.
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:12 PM
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1. Huh?
Uh...
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:13 PM
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2. WHAT?!?! That's ridiculous. Sheesh...
Edited on Thu May-13-04 09:15 PM by Kahuna
I wouldn't expect to see a statement like this on DU. :eyes:
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:15 PM
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5. Give me a break
:puke:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:16 PM
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6. Err.. Why should *I* give you a break?
:shrug:
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:13 PM
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3. The same as the women? n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:20 PM
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9. Yes, I think you're onto what I'm trying to get at.
That England woman's crime puts all women in a bad light....
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:22 PM
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13. No it doesn't. By your logic, all women are Aileen Warnock (sp?)
The prostitute who was a serial killer.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
31. Aileen Wuornos
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:15 PM
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4. I am assuming that you are a person of color cat_girl25? N/T



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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:18 PM
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7. Yes, I am.
For some reason (I don't know why) when a black person commits a heinous crime, all black people are stained with that crime. Sort of like that filthy murdering sniper that killed all those people in the D.C. area. I'm sorry but it's kind of hard to explain.
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rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:20 PM
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10. still a weak statement
....color or not.

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:51 PM
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19. Whatever....
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:21 PM
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12. I'm black. And I felt no incrimination because of the D.C. sniper..
and I don't feel any because one of the MPs was black. No thinking person would hold me responsible for what a member of my race does. By that logic, all white people would be as guilty as Hitler. See what I mean?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:30 PM
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16. But this guy in Iraq should know better knowing this country's
history against our ancestors. And I know what you mean by the Hitler reference, I just think it's different when it's black people. That's all.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:37 PM
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17. A lot of people have evolved from connecting all black people..
Edited on Thu May-13-04 09:39 PM by Kahuna
with the acts of a few. Everyone hasn't. That's their problem. Anybody with a brain knows that race doesn't determine good or evil. Everybody of every race is capable of good as well as evil. Don't let what ignorant people think get to you.

I looked at your profile. You're in Houston. That may account for your way of seeing things. I've visited Houston. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you are subject to that kind of thinking considering you're in bush country. :hug:
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:28 PM
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14. I understand completely and agree, was this pointed out by the
media or did you make this observation yourself. Personally I had not noticed, but then I was not looking for it, I am color blind by my nature. In case you were wondering, no I am not. ;-)




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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:49 PM
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18. I just found out a few minutes before I posted that one of them
was a black guy. I wish we all could be color blind and not only whites but blacks too.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:55 PM
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22. I don't believe you are a Person of Colour, I don't buy it !!!! n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:59 PM
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25. *Snarf* Let's go to the gallery and take a look see..
;-)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. Uh, yes I am.
It also says I'm colored on my birth certificate.:)
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Actually some of the things
that are being done to the Iraq prisoners were done to black people in america
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:21 PM
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11. Is it Condeleeza Rice in a mask?
Armstrong Williams? Where's J.C. Watts?
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:29 PM
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15. Those who would blame other black people
Those people who are going to be blaming other black people for what one member of their ethnicity does are just using it as an excuse.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:52 PM
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20. WELL THEN, WHY AREN'T ALL U WHITE PEOPLE BEATING YOURSELVES UP THEN?
WTF STUPID EFFIN BULLSHIT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:56 PM
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23. Because we are to busy beating YOU up lol
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. That's a good one!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:57 PM
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24. She's from Houston, Xultar. She probably has to deal with..
that mentality in bush country. I visited Houston once. The types of people I encountered were very ignorant and the type of people would think like that.

For instance, a long distance coworker upon meeting me said, "We thought you would be a tall, cool, brunette." I said, "I am." What they meant was a tall cool, WHITE, brunette. Idiots. While out on the town, another coworker tried to sell the body of a white female for $20.00. He offered me up for $5.00. I met many a racist fool in Houston.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:10 PM
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28. Are you kidding, I live in GA. I don't buy the original posters logic...
it's bullshit.

No Sistah or Bruva would say anything like that.

I'm not buying it. It doesn't make any sense. No matter what I face I don't expect something that happened in another country that white people were doing as well would cause me problems over here.

It doesn't make sense. Not one ounce of common sense.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:30 PM
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32. Well this sistah did.
You don't understand what I'm getting at so don't knock yourself.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. I thought it would be hard to explain to some whites how I feel about
this but apparently it's hard to explain to some blacks too.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:15 PM
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30. I'm sorry if it was all Bruvas then yup. But ONE Bruva in Iraq with a
whole lotta white folks and it's gonna be transferred all the way over here from Iraq?

You must be VERY young.

I live in the south I was born here,
I've lived in
Georgia 2 times
Illinois 2 times
Idaho
Pennsylvania
New Orleans
Denver
Charlotte NC
Miami
Michigan

I've been to college, I'm a consultant and I've worked in many different states I fly every week...There's no way something that happened in another country that white folks participated in as well would bring negativity down on us.
If it was all Blacks then yes, you are right. But not 1 in a large group of whites.
Puhleeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:37 PM
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34. I wish I was very young.
You have lived in more states than I have visited. I was born in Louisiana and raised in Texas. But your example of them being all black is a good point. But to me, even if it's one black involved, I know some ignorant caucasian down here will bring that up and somehow try and pin guilt on me.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:54 PM
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21. one in 50% in the Army. I'd say that's pretty good.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:36 PM
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33. Back to your original statement
Edited on Thu May-13-04 10:39 PM by Tinoire
because I'm just interesting in facts/observations... which one?

I'll be rewatching the video tonight. And oh yeah, I'm Black too before anyone starts.

I just want the facts in this thing.

I will however STRENUOUSLY disagree with your statement/assessment than any Black person in this country will catch hell because of one fucktard because if that's the case 5 times as many White people will catch hell & after all the crimes committed by White people, they'd be dead by now. What the hell was the point of or the logic in that?

That was a really stupid thing to throw out there- it doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, which one?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. What video?
And no, it was not a stupid thing to throw out there.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:50 PM
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37. That is where I am. I'm not feelin it. But she says there is a Bubba
in her town that will find some way to bring it up.

Sounds to me like she hasn't handled herself effectively with the Bubbas enough to let them know that she doesn't play that shit.

Case in point. I work with a Bubba. The second he steped out of line, I put his ass back in the box. He knows that I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY DISRESPECT FROM HIS ASS. He passes the information on to his team. Problem solved. PURE AND SIMPLE.

I establish my professional and personal relationships in the first couple of encounters. After that, if anyone thinks they can treat me unfairly, thinks that I will allow them to walk on me or stand aside because I'm Black or a woman, I UNLEASH.

I'm in technology and white men always try to take their balls out and throw them on my desk. I broil them and break out the steak sauce.

The others learn from that poor bastards mistake and approach me with professional respect and courtesy after that.

It is that simple.
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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:45 PM
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36. Like Spike Lee, I do not believe black people are capable of these crimes.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:52 PM
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40. Hummm I wouldn't go that far either...remember the old saying...
Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

It is amazing what people will do in a group that they wouldn't do alone.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:55 PM
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:05 PM
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46. Yes, he's a he and was never a She. n/t
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:52 PM
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39. My bad. You said torturer which implies "picture"
Edited on Thu May-13-04 10:55 PM by Tinoire
I've had that execution video on my mind too much- it simply sears your soul.

But the gist is the same. "What" picture in that case? I haven't seen it or noticed it. And no, I am sorry, that was a stupefyingly unjustifiable thing to say because no 1 Black person represents his race any more than 1 White person does.

Not a single effing Black person will catch hell because one stupid brother did something stupid or evil in a sea of White faces doing the same stupid things.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:54 PM
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41. Said with Amazing Clarity!!! n/t
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:01 PM
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44. Well I tried you old Wes Clark Dem you!
;)

Thousands of photos, one (which I haven't even seen) supposedly having a Black guy on it and sister woman gets all scared.

Times have changed.

Cat_girl25, you need to move the hell out Texas if that's the environment you're in! I lived in Dallas and Austin and know that the people there, no matter how Texan some of them were, were not that simplistic.

Pack and move if it's that bad in Houston now.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:04 PM
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45. I've got the movin van.... for OSR Operation Sistah Rescue!!!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:06 PM
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47. I don't believe I said anything about a picture.
They showed two of the torturers pic on the news earlier and one of them was a black guy. That is how I found out. And how do you know not one black person will catch hell because of the stupid brother's action in Iraq?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:09 PM
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48. Too many White Folks are in the Pix. That's how. n/t
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:18 PM
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49. Just out of curiosity, Cat-girl25
How old are you? If you live in Houston, probably what you've experienced depends on your age. No problem if you don't want to give your age, I was just wondering.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:43 PM
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50. Sorry, am signing off
to go to bed. I hope there's no reaction to anybody's race, it's up to each person to know good from bad. Race doesn't enter into anything. I'm from Houston, though, so I know why you posted what you did...there are some mighty narrow minded people there, but they exist everywhere.
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