If and when Nick Berg's autopsy comes out...

[Paragon]

...and it gives cause of death as either severing of the spinal cord or loss of blood (whichever came first)...

Will any of you fun-lovin' conspiracy theorists believe it, anyway?!?

So tell me again why we're having this argument? The must-be-a-freeper believes-everything-he's-told idiot I am, I prefer to wait for facts from reputable sources. How naive of me.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Since he was buried this morning

do you know whether or not an autopsy was done?

I've seen no mention of this anywhere in the media? And since this is a murder case, even if it is al Qaeda, an autopsy would be standard procedure, would it not?

[jono]

2. What autopsy? (nt)

[mzmolly]

3. Have they ordered an autopsy?

If so, if he died from the beheading, I dont think it will prove anything frankly.

I do think there are far to many unanswered questions regardless.

Why does the US deny ever having him in custody?

Why did he coincidentally end up in the hands of the most notorious enemy of the US Osama BL aside?

Why is he wearing an orange jump suit?

I draw no hard conclusions to these questions, I simply want to have the answers.

[SonofMass]

13. Did they recover the white chair?

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[ibegurpard]

4. What do you care?

Whether anyone else believes it? And instead of focusing on some of the more outlandish speculation why are you not acknowledging that there are LEGITIMATE questions about this event that are being investigated and discussed in "mainstream" venues, like CBS NEWS. Questions like why is the government denying they ever had Berg in custody when the family has proof from a diplomatic official that he WAS?
Your obstinate opposition to discussion of this makes me question your motives.

[Paragon]

7. I don't mind discussion about Nick Berg

But 75% of the discussions have been in the CSI area of debate - a bunch of amateur forensic scientists talking about which way blood should spurt and shit...all from looking AT A VIDEOTAPE.

My main motive is to keep the rest of us like looking like fucking assholes by being associated with this foaming-at-the-mouth nutty crap.

[Minstrel Boy]

11. And I don't mind you not discussing Nick Berg

"My main motive is to keep the rest of us like looking like fucking assholes by being associated with this foaming-at-the-mouth nutty crap."

And I'd like to keep the rest of us from looking like fucking assholes by your posting such hollow, sweeping ridicule, but I fully support your right to do so.

[stickdog]

19. If you don't like 'em. Don't read'em.

I think you are a gullible Gomer, but I'm not starting any threads about that, am I?

[Cheswick2.0]

23. oops, too late

My main motive is to keep the rest of us like looking like fucking assholes"

too late bud

[peacetalksforall]

5. See my question...does anyone know?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1600340&mesg_id=1601257

Re Mexican forensic scientist comment.

[Tansy_Gold]

28. Re your other post about the Mexican forensic scientist/doctor

QC posted that there had been many threads on this and further offered the original website URL.

The "Mexican forensic scientist" report originally came from vozdeaztlan.com, a notoriously rightwing hate group. The report was posted on rense.com, which is apparently best known for UFO and Bigfoot reports.

I find it just slightly disturbing that some DUers will dismiss the informed reports of their fellows on such topics as video editing because "I'm not gonna believe some total stranger here on DU" but blithely trust the report of another total stranger who posts on a hate site.

Could it possibly be that people are believing what they want to believe, regardless who says/writes it?

I tried last night to debunk some of the theories about the white plastic chair of death, the orange prison jumpsuit, etc., etc., etc., and like many other skeptics, I was told basically to shut up, get off DU, that I was a freeper, that I didn't know what I was talking about, that I must obviously believe everything the guvmint tells me.

Apparently some here on DU don't want THEIR theories to be questioned/tested, and they want us to accept what they say on trust -- which is exactly what they criticize us for doing to the government.

The truth is, I do not personally accept everything (or even very much of what) the government of boosh puts out there, whether it's about WMDs, the environment, the war on Iraq, Nick Berg, Danny Perle, or anything else. But neither am I ready to accept without question the theory that the CIA must have offed Nick Berg because he was seen sitting in a white plastic chair similar to the one Lynndie England sat in!

There are valid questions about the Berg case: where was he between April 9 and May 10/11? What contact did anyone have with him during that time, who were they, what do they know? Who were his parents in contact with during that time?

Maybe none of us are investigative reporters with confidential contacts out there in the field and therefore we can't tackle some of those questions. But does that mean we have to spend all our time concocting theories that don't stand up to much scrutiny? Do we have to ignore the questions posed to those theories, rather than exploring alternative answers to questions?

For instance, if Berg WAS wearing a standard U.S.-style prison jumpsuit, where did it come from? it didn't look like a prison jumpsuit to me, and it's pretty easily dismissed as a relic from his March 24-April 6 incarceration, so where did it come from? Was he imprisoned AFTER APRIL 9????

Oh, sorry for posing that question. It doesn't address the killer white chair.

Paragon, I'm with you.

Even if I am only

Tansy Gold

[MuseRider]

6. What reputable sources?

If there are any would they even be used? Sorry, I am not a huge conspiracy theorist but then again I am a huge questioner and nothing this government says will ever seem like truth to me.

[Minstrel Boy]

8. What would it prove one way or another?

I think it's quite likely he was killed by having his throat slit. After his death, his head was hacked off. There's an edit in the video.

This was the MO in the Daniel Pearl video.

So, how would cause of death debunk us "fun-lovin' conspiracy theorists"? :shrug:

[Paragon]

9. That's my point.

It wouldn't debunk anything in most of their minds. Facts tend to bum out conspiracy theorists -- speculation is so much more fun.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. If that's your point, I still don't understand it.

If it's found Berg died from having his throat slit, how does that debunk "conspiracy theorists"? The images, as with the Pearl video, suggest that's precisely what happened, and his head was severed after death.

Is there a conspiracy I don't know about, that says he was poisoned, shot or died of cancer?

[Paragon]

15. I think we're in agreement here.

If the "poisoned, shot, or died of cancer" theories haven't been posted yet, wait a while.

[Spazito]

10. And if there is no autopsy report, what then...

Mr. Berg's burial service has taken place this afternoon and the remains were received by the family yesterday, I believe, so the time for the family to have had an independent autopsy was very limited. I, for one, hope that one has been done BY one hired by the family and, if so, that the report is made public.

Edited to add: your post is speculation with the use of "ifs" so it is no different from those you hold in contempt, imo.

[daleo]

12. It would surprise me if there was an autopsy

In fact, it would surprise me if there was even a viewing of the remains.

[librechik]

16. If no autopsy report is released--will you still think everything's peachy

There's no argument. On a discussion board things get discussed, that's all. Clinging to hostility about opinions that differ from yours is not the same as arguing.

[stickdog]

17. If the DOD doesn't allow the Bergs to perform an

independent autopsy, will you finally wake up and smell the burning mattress?

[Paragon]

18. Maybe the fumes are getting to your head.

:7

[stickdog]

20. Or maybe you're the world's most gullible Gomer.

:7

[Misinformed01]

21. damn.....had to start your own thread, eh?

Paragon, please explain why you feel so strongly that this man was alive while he was being beheaded.

Stephanie

I have "known" you on DU for a long time; I don't remember you ever acting like this before-

[Paragon]

24. I don't know exactly what happened

That's the point; I'm certainly not going to let a videotape (which can be easily manipulated) lead me to wild conclusions about what happened, either. We go with whatever facts we can find and are presented with.

That doesn't mean I'm not inquisitive or that I believe everything I'm told -- but the fact is, this sort of rampant tinfoil on DU makes us all look like reactionary fools. I'm tired of being pegged as an unreasonable, foaming-at-the-mouth liberal because of a few paranoid idiots.

[stickdog]

22. Yes, waiting for the media has worked so well for the 2000 election

and voting machines

and 9/11

and Tora Bora

and Valerie Plame's outing

and the Cheney energy meeting

and ...

[goodhue]

25. yes indeed

Waiting to get facts from "reputable sources" is indeed naive.

If an autopsy is done, and it is made public, and it shows that Berg was alive when beheaded, I'll likely believe it. But not certain that it will buttress any belief that al Qaeda did the deed.

[IkeWarnedUs]

26. Other reasons to do an autopsy

I would think they would want an autopsy to find out things like signs of abuse, torture and/or restraint, drugs in his system, stomach contents to see what he was fed, etc.

Much more to be learned besides just the cause of death.

[Tinoire]

27. Nope. I won't believe it until it's confirmed by FOX news~!

:)

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