Did Arnold actually say he voted for Prop 187?

[jiacinto]

Did he actually say that? If so, why would be that stupid? Didn't the backlash against Prop 187 result in the GOP being frozen out of every statewide offce in 2002 and all but two in 1998? What is he thinking? With Cruz Bustamente in the race now I see Arnold losing the support of key Hispanic voters. Or will saying he supported Prop 187 bring back voters who may be supporting Simon, Uberoth, or McClintock?

[David__77]

1. Two points...

Somebody from his campaign, I think Pete Wilson (!) said it. I don't know if the word was "voted for" or "supported." This is important, because more often than not Arnie doesn't bother to vote. He thinks that is for someone else to do I guess... But it's been said firmly now that he supports 187.

So now we have a crucial weapon in this fight to add to our arsenal. There's no way he could "clarify" what was said without losing a lot of credibility with the press...

[jiacinto]

2. Ok

Yeah that was big mistake on Arnold's part.

[UTUSN]

3. Hispanics Voting for Ahhhnuld?

The Hispanics who think he's cool would be adolescents who can't vote and think it's not cool to vote.

Who IS Ahhhnuld's constituency? I don't know.

[orangecoloredapple]

4. I've lived in the southwest all my life and singe my butt, but

I agree with denying social services to illegal immigrants. Note I said illegal immigrants. Not hispanic immigrants. All illegal immigrants. We can talk til we're lavender in the face about the childrens needs, etc, but the fact remains that they are illegally residing in this country. I cohabitate with someone who is 5th generation hispanic american - still speaks spanish, and agrees with me. Most hispanics that have been in this country legally for many years or decades have a strong negative feeling about the illegal immigration problem. They feel they have done things the legal and correct way, as have other ethnic group for generations, and do not believe the influx of illegal people is helping this country one whit.

[jiacinto]

5. Here is what I think

Denying services to the parents is one thing. But children shouldn't suffer for the mistakes of their parents. So I think you need to strike a balance there.

[salin]

16. Here is the thing about that particular version

fortunately it was ruled unconstitutional. But supporters wanted it this way.

SCHOOLS (teachers, administrators, even clerical) - had to report ANYCHILD they "Suspected" might be illegal to the INS within 60 days - or they (the school personnel) would face legal consequences.

Medical personal - - had to report ANYCHILD they "Suspected" might be illegal to the INS within 60 days - or they (the school personnel) would face legal consequences.

SO - now - education and service providers had to become INS operatives - or face legal consequences.

WHile it was struck down, at least initially it drove all sorts of families - even legal ones for fear of any problems - from seeking services. That means preventive care isn't given. That means near emergency care isn't given. That means kids don't go to school. That means even emergency care might be avoided. For many folks this = legal aliens - many are afraid of the INS - due to rumor/horror stories.

At the time just after its passage I worked with a number of schools that were multiracial - kids were harassing other kids by tagging them as "illegals" - it got very, very ugly.

It was a particularly bad piece of legislation.

[Rose Siding]

6. His campaign said he voted for it.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign said Sunday that the actor had voted for Proposition 187, the divisive 1994 ballot measure to deny social services to illegal immigrants, offering a glimpse at one of his policy stances.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/10/state1930EDT0082.DTL

[jiacinto]

8. What a dumb move

That's all I can say.

[hedda_foil]

7. Remember, he doesn't need 50% + 1

of the vote. He's obviously signalling to the far right that he's one of them. I'm surprised you didn't catch onto why he said this, Carlos.

[jiacinto]

9. I did catch on

I think it was meant to take votes away from McClintock, Uberoth, and Simon.

[Terwilliger]

10. Why support it?

He is a real right-winger...he's playing a populist game right now.

That's in my O

I want to vote for Cruz, but if she can impress me, I'm leaning toward Arianna.

[Democat]

11. Vote for the Democrat who can beat Arnold!

I like Arianna, but Cruz can win, Arianna probably can't.

Don't you want to support someone who can actually win?

[DuctapeFatwa]

12. Choosing Pete Wilson as his "spokesman" sends a pretty clear message

My favorite Pete moment was when the doctors had to explain to him that refusing to vaccinate children from other countries against communicable diseases would not really be a good idea.

Although the plan to expel all the kids from school and turn them loose in the streets all day was pretty good too.

[qb]

13. LOL - as a pro-gay & pro-choice candidate

he has permanently alienated the religious right, so coming out in support of this unconstitutional measure does nothing to help him. It only further alienates the lefties and minorties. It also makes him look like a total idiot.

"Hey, I'm not so liberal - I voted for an unconstitutional immigrant-bashing measure!"

[Democat]

14. You're just "playing the race card"!

Someone in Arnold's campaign already said that mentioning Arnold's admitted support of 187 is "playing the race card".

Actually trying to throw immigrant kids out of school and deny them medical care isn't "playing the race card", but pointing out that someone voted yes on an unconstitutional law that was an indirect attack on minorities is.

The media will probably go along with Arnold's position too. Let's not "play the race card" by looking at Arnold's positions on important issues. Let's talk about his movies instead.

[salin]

17. Ya, attempting to turn teachers and medical professionals

into INS agents (they were to report ANY "SUSPECTED" illegal child/family to INS within 60 days or face legal consequences) = playing the race card. Sure Ahnald.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I'm Suprised Arnold Doesn't

see the irony of supporting Prop 187.

After all, he wasn't born in California either.

[jiacinto]

18. Question II

So will this cause a backlash from Latino voters?

[salin]

19. At the least

I think it will neutralize the glam/macho effect of his persona. As in he might lose as many as he gains just because he is who he is.