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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 10:52 PM Original message |
Poll question: Should a new left of center political party be started? |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. there are already several left of center parties. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 10:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. If only they would come together and start a coalition. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. good point |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 03:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
92. But in realistically speaking |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 02:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
85. BETTER IDEA! Get off your dead asses, do the work to move Party left |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 02:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
86. self delete |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 02:19 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Self-delete |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Greens? |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. They are about right, but they are politically retarded |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
5. If American unions enter into the Labor Party, Greens, New Party or |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 02:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
87. Labor won't put it's future in hands of Progressive primadonnas |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #87 |
102. Nor do I think they should |
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TheWizardOfMudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. You best define "center" |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. We got one started... |
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TheWizardOfMudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. What issues does the Green Party deem most important? |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Here thier party platform |
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TheWizardOfMudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Thanks |
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Jeebo (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
9. Thom Hartmann says we should work within the Dem. Party... |
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Poiuyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
95. Hartmann is also a fan of Proportional Representation |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think we there SHOULD be one and it should start fielding a 2008 |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 02:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
89. No better tactic to build a movement than non-stop whining |
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UnAmericanJoe (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. I had a dream once that |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. Deleted message |
UnAmericanJoe (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Funny, I thought this board was for all progressives... |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Try again |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. "our" goals? you speak for yourself sangha. nt |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. the quote was from the DU rules page |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Is sangha the DU owner? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. no, but he/she is allowed to quote from the DU rules... |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. "once the Democratic party officially nominates its candidate..." |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. yeah, you slept through most of this thread |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #42 |
52. no but when he presumes to be one you should report it. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. how did he presume to be one? |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. By implying people who don't like the dlc don't belong here |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. he didn't imply that |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:39 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Post 13 and post 21 |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. still doesn't imply what you've said |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:46 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I reported both. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. existence of the Green Party sure didn't help us during the 2000 election |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
15. Don't know |
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Dirk39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. After what happened in Europe with the Greens, esp.... |
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MAlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. they basically need money... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
22. until there is substantive systemic change |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
23. I say yes, but I don't think you can |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Not really |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. but he ran out of all that cash quickly. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Primarily because of dlc attacks |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. yes, I remember. Dean attacked everyone and when they attacked back.. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. They deserved to be attacked. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. ok |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I think the party should be more concerned about right |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Visionary economic organization of the working-class through |
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TheWizardOfMudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
24. Wake up and get real people! |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yeah, just give up hope of moving the American center to the left. |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. A side note to this is |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. be smart about it |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Actually you organized at the top, through corporate donation |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:03 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. not so |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. DLC and moderate are not the same thing |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. I'm referring to the elected politicians on the DLC |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Yeah, we had a couple of young State and local Democratic functionaries |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
66. and, in the same vein |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:47 AM Response to Reply #66 |
80. Heh, heh. I gotta give you credit for that one wyldwolf. Those kids |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
54. That's what we're doing. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Perfect rallying cry. Yay! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
72. what are you doing? |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 01:39 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Why would we tell you? |
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Redleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Good point. |
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aljones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
27. A left of center and a Right of center party!! |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
40. I agree the Parlimentary system is better n/t |
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dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
44. yep, both left of center and right of center parties are needed |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-04 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
38. ## Support Democratic Underground! ## |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
41. Possible, however... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. the only problem is... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #46 |
67. We need an ISSUE driven party... |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
49. To do this, we need the support of leaders with supermajorities |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
53. The Democratic Party is left of center right now. |
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TheWizardOfMudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Based upon the 8 years of the Clinton Administrations |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:24 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I disagree with Gingrich, but a Pat Buchanan conservative |
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TheWizardOfMudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. You nailed it |
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Romberry (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
56. No. Progressives just need to re-assert control.... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:26 AM Original message |
that's what I'm saying! |
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DaveSZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. The Deaniacs need to become the Democratic Party |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:39 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. the difference |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:43 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. The Reaganites began with the Goldwater movement in the 60s |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:45 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. If you say so |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
61. It would only take three major groups with money to make it happen |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. If they don't do something about the spoiler effect |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:47 AM Response to Reply #65 |
79. They could simply endorse the liberal Dems |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 01:41 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You can only work to nominate liberals dems as dems |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 03:09 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Look at the mayoral election in San Francisco. |
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dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. good post! Good to see posts from real activists here |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 12:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
103. Good point. nt |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
62. Nooooooo!!! Then they'd have to split the one-percent of the vote!!! |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
81. Divided we fail, together we live. Its a no brainer. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 01:42 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. We should only unite when there is a spoiler effect |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
91. I say no |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
93. More left-wing pressure groups, think-tanks eom |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
96. yes, but |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
97. Start a party, fine, but you damn sure better line up behind Kerry. |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I am voting for Kerry.... |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. If the Democratic Party is to be saved..... |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #98 |
105. When I supported Dean, I always said I would be the first to protest |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 12:57 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. "Left dies if Bush wins" Certainly debatable. nt |
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Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
100. This question will be made irrelevant: |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
101. No |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
106. Yeah, right in the middle of an election year is the perfect time to |
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