Outburst by 9/11 family members during Giuliani's testimony

[nonconformist]

Anyone catch what they were saying? I was in another room when I heard it start and saw one woman leaving/being led out.

[Atman]

1. I was just typing this to post...you beat me to it.

No film or links...live, just happened; loved ones shout down Rudy and shout questions they want asked. One could be heard yelling something like "If just ONE of us were on that panel, we'd ask.....(??).

"What about the contracts for...(??)...ask about the contracts..."

Lots of cameras, though. Watch for it!

[nostamj]

2. they were talking about radios

something like "talk about the radios, talk about the radios..."

[Poiuyt]

4. What about the radios?

[nostamj]

8. the failure of the radios

that morning was a KEY reason so many died.

they didn't get the Evac orders. didn't communicate the urgency of evecuating WTC2, etc.

months later, they used my apartment building to test new radios... (even though it's only 10 stories)

[Cooley Hurd]

6. I TiVO'd it...

When Guiliani was talking about the firemen's evacuation orders in Tower 1 (presumably after Tower 2 came down), he said that many simply ignored the order. That's when they (assuming they were firefighter's families) were yelling "talk about the radios..." - a reference to the 2 way radio failures. They were also saying "ask Motorola," and "Put one of us on the panel!"

One woman held up a sign that simply said "FICTION."

[nonconformist]

16. Did you get the latest protest on TiVO too?

[Cooley Hurd]

20. This is what I got...

Hamilton, while wrapping up Guiliani's testimony, complemented him on his leadership during the crisis, when a man stood up and said, "3000 people are dead, they were NOT killed because he is a great leader. 3000 people murdered does NOT mean leadership, that means a VACUUM of leadership. Let us ask real questions of the mayor. Give me two minutes to rebut, two minutes to ask REAL questions. Don't forget the whistleblowers! Don't forget the whistleblowers! My brother was a fireman and I want to know why 300 firemen died!!"

[robnycny]

3. It was hard to hear, but

one thing I did catch was a demand for "at least one of them (family member) to sit on the panel."

Several were also just shouting "lies!"

[Nashyra]

5. They were talking about the radios

they started yelling "motorola"

[TNOE]

7. Those broken-hearted people are losing their patience

and I certainly don't blame them

Heard the first part of Guillani's speech this morning - talking about how everyone LOVED Bush after 9/11 - and hardly nobody had voted for him beforehand - it was truly sickening - and then of course he added that "we will have another attack" or "when we have another attack".... "mistakes will again be made" - they are telling us people - IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN



http://rense.com/general53/where.htm

What's your greatest asset? Is it your time, your money, or your life? In the current situation you are about to lose all three.

Your time is no longer yours anymore. Your money, under the terms of Patriot Acts One and the parts of Two that have been passed, will no longer belong to you once the next attack 'happens.' Your life, under the then pending Martial Law, administered by FEMA, will hang by the thinnest of threads, depending on where you are when the order is given.

What exactly is FEMA, in terms of its powers, once it's activated?

"EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months." http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

This has all been arranged for you; by paid-off government officials, who just took the money and looked the other way-whenever it came to what will become of you and me!

"Once the next 911 happens, the nation will be put on condition RED, and then we'll have PATRIOT II by executive order. This will unleash FEMA to do what it was designed to do - which is to round us all up, strip us of anything anyone in government might want, and throw the rest of us away. This will be courtesy of that secretive black-ops shadow government known as FEMA - that rising curse that gives shape to all the nightmares that Bush wants each of us to fear. This terrifying new world will exceed all natural bonds, and will even surpass our innate wish to remain a viably free and prosperous society. This will make Orwell's 1984 look like a fairy tale. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

All of the above was what 911 was really all about. September 11, 2001 was the trigger that began a national and international reign of fear and paranoia. Using this new 'terror' of an unknown and much feared 'enemy' ­ the public in America was easily led into the attack upon Afghanistan. That place that had been at war for many years already was held up to the world as the terrorist haven for Islamic Outlaws, bent on killing Americans. If so, they were outlaws trained, equipped, and financed by the CIA; having been created by that agency to resist the Russians several years before.

[Nashyra]

9. The ass kissing and the butt licking that these panelist are

giving Guliani is an insult those who lost loved ones.

[rusty charly]

10. i just love

jokes and laughter at the 9/11 hearings. it's all so amusing.

[KeepItReal]

24. What do you expect? These guys were hand picked by Bush & Co. right?

"Independent Commission", my ass.

[adadem]

30. exactly my thought

these should be solumn hearings; nothing to laugh or joke about.
Makes me sick every time I see a laugh

[nonconformist]

12. Oh man, I missed his opening statements

Kind of glad I did now.

People were supporting Bush after 9/11 because of three reasons: "patriotism", fear, and because they didn't know what else to do.

[Cassandra]

36. Some of us were wondering...

why the hell it took Bush so long to drag his butt here. For all the criticisms I have of Giuliani, at least he was here and knowledgable. Even Clinton was here before Bush (after flying back from somewhere) and made himself useful.
Many of those cheering were doing it for Giuliani and the rescue workers, not for Bush or Pataki.

[GiovanniC]

38. Clinton Arrived in NYC

An entire day before Bush did, and walked around Lower Manhattan to shouts of "We love you!"

Clinton was in Australia on 9/11, on the other side of the world.

Bush was in Florida.

[Straight Shooter]

46. bush was waiting for the danger of the air quality level to subside

Anyone who thinks he wasn't apprised ASAP of how dangerous it was, isn't paying attention to the modus operandi of the oaf of office.

[Eloriel]

23. And don't forget -- Gen'l Zinni also said "the next attack will

bring the suspension of the Constitution and imposition of martial law." (That's not an exact quote -- but he WAS exactly that explicit.)

[VolcanoJen]

29. I thought that quote came from Gen. Franks?

:shrug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. Well that was a depressing read

We are doomed! :-( The part about FEMA's powers is down right scary, :scared: Election, what Election? Might as well let * have a second term in office, he's going get it, one way or another. Is it too early for a :beer: ?

[Cassandra]

11. You beat me to it as well

here's my dupe.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1626037
Edit: This is what I actually wrote, so you don't have to fish for it.
The hearings, with Giuliani, started at 8:30 this morning. During questioning just now, during the discussion of the bravery of those managing the evacuation, many in the audience started screaming and yelling "Ask about the radios" and "Motorola, Motorola", indicating that not all those firefighters who died did so altruistically. Some died because their radios didn't work and they never heard the evacuation order. The protesters were (gently) threatened with eviction from the proceedings, and Giuliani murmured something soothing, but there questions were not taken up. There has been a lot more about who is in charge during an emergency, and not why communications didn't work.

[mopaul]

13. them damn 9-11 families hate our freedoms! comforting our enemas

i mean enemies. why do they hate america?

[nostamj]

14. new outburst now

they want to ask questions!

[bluedog]

17. new out rage

man stating: Remember this.......your government trained Al Qieda(sp).said it three times...

[nonconformist]

15. NEW OUTBURST: "2 minutes to rebut, 2 minutes to ask some real questions"

APPLAUSE

"3,000 people are dead, murdered, that is not leadership"

CNN cut away! Unfuckingbelievable! God forbid we hear what THEY have to say.

[Beetwasher]

19. NYC, The BEST Place to Have the RNC Convention!!!

That was such a great idea Karl!!! Right up there w/ screen doors on submarines!

[central scrutinizer]

39. my thought exactly

the more the families get the stonewalled by this commission, the angrier they will get - I don't think they will sit quietly in their "Free Speech Zone" come the convention.

[PaDUer]

21. Also, standing ovation. n/t

[thebigidea]

22. all the cable channels cutaway to the likes of Lester fucking Holt

[jmcgowanjm]

18. Quick! Breakaway Breakaway!

Your Gov't funded and trained AlQaeda.

Further, (me) anyone mentioning AlQaeda
or hijackers in connection w/ 911 is part of
the coverup, unwittingly or not.

1. Did Bin Laden in July 2001 enter an American
        hospital in Dubai?
        2. Did he arrive on July 4, 2001 on a flight from
        Qetta, Pakistan to American Hospital?
        3. Was he at the hospital July 4-11, 2001?
        4. Did Bernard Koval, CEO of American Hospital, ever
        speak with Doctor Terry Callaway about that visit?
        5. Why did he change his statements about this story
        not being true and that he "asked around"?
        6. What is the difference between Continuous
        Ambulatory Peritoneal Dialysis and Continuous Cycling
        Peritoneal Dialysis?
        7. Did Koval know Larry Stevens?
        8. Can Koval explain why Richard Labeviere, author of
        "Terror Dollars" (about illegal Al-Quaeda accounts),
        wrote the story about Osama Bin Laden's kidney
        operation?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_questions.htm

[Nashyra]

26. For what it;s worth I just e-mailed cnn and msnbc

about turning coverage away, this time thought I did it on the ask a question section of contact us.

[adadem]

32. I did too

and CSpan for not giving the nation full coverage...skip the House of Reps for these hearings.

[jmcgowanjm]

27. CENTRAL COLUMNS SEVERED-Seismic Evidence

Videos of the North Tower collapse show its
communication mast falling first, indicating that the
central support columns must have failed at the very
beginning of the collapse. Loizeaux told AFP, "Everything
went simultaneously."

"At 10:29 the entire top section of the North Tower had
been severed from the base and began falling
down," Hufschmid writes. "If the first event was the falling of
a floor, how did that progress to the severing of hundreds
of columns?"

Asked if the vertical support columns gave way before
the connections between the floors and the columns,
Ron Hamburger, a structural engineer with the
FEMA assessment team said, "That's the $64,000
question."

Loizeaux said, "If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure."

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm

[TrogL]

44. Before the conspiracy theorists jump all over this

He said "I would put" not "I did put" or "someone put".

He's talking about the perfect way to bring down the buildling.

There are others.

[jmcgowanjm]

51. So let's see-the most implausible 911story comes from the WH

We were all there. Some remember.
When a mistake happens and someone
profits from it, you can expect that
mistake to happen again.

Who have been rewarded?
Who have been punished?

Again, in the images of the North Tower, the antenna is
shown collapsing, independently of the outer shell. That
says that the forty-seven core columns collapsed - FIRST.
The floor panels didn't arbitrarily 'flake off' their mounts from
fire damage.

http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/collapse.htm

bush has changed his 911 story at least 7 times.

Ask him again, it'll be 8.

Don't be killing the messenger.
Argue the facts.

Where is this expelled cloud coming from?


We are being told to accept an assemblage of facts that
would not stand up in a court of law to prove the guilt of a
man, bin Laden and his organization, that somehow
succeeded in penetrating the most restricted airspace in
the world approximately 55 minutes after the first plane
crashed into the World Trade Center. These facts, while
not sufficient to prevent the day that changed the
world, nonetheless were more than sufficient to identify
the culprit in less than the next 24 hours; who was then
the justification for embarking on a war that, according to
Dick Cheney, "may never end. At least, not in our lifetime" 
<79>; and who less than a year later has dropped off the
world stage slowing down this lifetime war, on his behalf,
not one iota. Whose interests are advanced by this
monumental campaign to trade our liberty for
security?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/AOPof911p11.html

[qanda]

28. The overwhelming theme seemed to be

Ask some *real* questions. And I do not blame them one bit. The lovefest was so sickening I would have lost my breakfast and told them to get a room if I were there.

[jmcgowanjm]

31. Just noticed-Mods why is this in GD and not LBN?

[librechik]

34. threads that threaten to be very long (monitoring something like this)

are better in GD where they don't slow down LBN and the mods can keep a closer eye on them (seems like)

[jmcgowanjm]

37. Thank you librechik, courteous, prompt, informative. Love ya

[librechik]

33. so CNN stopped covering it;they switched to the abuse scandal!

They're sort of between Iraq and a Hard Place on this one!

[Lakerstan]

35. Iraq? No..

For that pun :yourock: Tee-hee.

[Sparkly]

40. Have any of the talking heads mentioned it since it happened?

Are they reporting it at all?

[librechik]

47. finally got some coverage and a replay on CNN (90 minutes later!)

I can just imagine the production meeting they had to decided how they would cover it--they did ok--showed a clip of the "heckler" (I resent that!) and the audience members who stood up in support; then Rudy saying we need to blame the terrorists only (not him)

[underpants]

48. RW radio is all over it-attacking the 9/11 families

At least Gallagher and Beck are. I am sure this is the talking point for the rest of the afternoon if they are stupid enough to mention it.

[linazelle]

41. "We interrupt the regularly-scheduled programming...for this

important diversion from the truth." :eyes:

[Fleshdancer]

42. This panel is adding insult to injury by not asking the serious q's

If I'm this outraged by all the ass kissing and soft questions asked, I can't even begin to imagine how painful this is for the families and victims.

My heart goes out to them.

[JayS]

43. I second that, GloriaSmith. n/t

n/t

[robbedvoter]

45. "refused orders?" Like Christie Todd Whitman saying "they REFUSED to

wear the masks" that she did NOT provide. These people are all playing the same talking points!

[sandboxface]

49. Is there a video up online yet?

Please let me know!

[underpants]

50. Photos photos photos

Christopher Brodeur (R) yells from the audience as an unidentified woman (L) is removed by security personnel as they disrupt the end of testimony by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites) at a public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, in New York City May 19, 2004. Local officials were testifying on the city's response to the attack on the second day of the two-day hearing. REUTERS/Mike Segar

[nonconformist]

52. Thanks for the photos

My heart breaks for these understandably frustrated people.