Jesus Christ was obviously a staunch Neo-Conservative

[Egalitarian Zetetic]

I found myself laughing as i read this. I sometimes wonder what goes through the head of bush (not much) falwell, robertson, hagee as they read. I mean how fucking disparate can interpretations be, and how moranic are americans for fallign for dubious biblical study.




http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-bibleconservative.htm




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Times were different in Jesus day; today we have a different economic and social system. With this argument, conservatives abandon their source of authority. To say that Jesus represented his own time is to say that his words do not matter any more. It means that conservatives cannot use the Bible as the moral authority for their modern viewpoints. They may admit that their political views are based on their own logic and reason, but they must stop there, and cease to claim that these views come from the New Testament, because they do not.

The Old Testament is filled with philosophies that conservatives agree with today. This is, in fact, the most common conservative defense. From the condemnation of homosexuals to the praise of wealth and national defense, the Old Testament is indeed a conservative's paradise. And Jesus himself said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17.) But this argument fails on a single point. If the Old Testament were still valid, we would still be obeying it. That is, Christians would still be bringing doves into the temple for slaughter upon the altar. We would still be sinning for planting two different crops in the same field, or wearing two different fabrics at once. Even the least educated Christian knows that a profound difference occurred at the cross, and that a different set of rules came into play. Those rules can be found in the New Testament, and they are overwhelmingly liberal.

Even so, falling back on the Old Testament often backfires for Christian Conservatives. The problem is that the Old Testament goes too far to the right. The Old Testament was not only undemocratic, it featured a monarchy. (1 Samuel 8.) Social inequality not only existed, but was embodied in slavery. In fact, it was legal to beat slaves so severely that they could not get up for a day or two. (Exodus 21:21.) Children were not only expected to respect their parents; their parents could legally kill them if they didn't. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21.) Women not only had a submissive and inferior status to men, they were considered chattel. (Genesis 3:16, Exodus 21:7-11, Numbers 30.) God not only ordered Israel to initiate wars of aggression, but ordered Israel to kill all captive men and non-virgin women, and to bring the virgin women into sexual slavery. (Deuteronomy 7:1,2, Numbers 31.) God even ordered the suckling infants of the enemy to be massacred. (1 Samuel 15:3.)

Interestingly, there is one area of the Old Testament that runs diametrically opposed to the conservative's most cherished values: sexuality. Of course, many conservatives frequently cite the Old Testament laws against incest, homosexuality and bestiality (Leviticus 18:6,22,23). But in almost all other sexual matters, the Old Testament is really quite permissive. There were no laws prohibiting pre-marital and non-marital sex, and only a few stipulations to this liberty were explicitly stated. One was that if a man seduces a virgin, he must pay a bride-price and marry her. (Exodus 22:16.) However, the law says nothing about non-virgins, including divorced or widowed women. Also, a wife found guilty of adultery could be stoned to death along with her lover. (Deuteronomy 22:22.) However, no law prevented a married man from carrying on with as many affairs as he pleased, as long as they were not with other men's wives. For a man, divorce was both legal and easy to obtain, if for no other reason that she displeased him. (Deuteronomy 24:1-4.) Prostitution was illegal for Jewish women, but it was permitted for foreigners. (Deuteronomy 23:17.) However, many Jewish women became prostitutes as well. The practice was widely tolerated by the authorities, and considering how many scriptural warnings were voiced against harlots, it is clear they did a thriving business.

[drdigi420]

1. pointing out the hypocrisy of christians is pretty redundant

and, if recent threads are of any indication

just an invitation to a flame war from the defensive christians trying to rationalize

[w4rma]

4. I'm both a Christian and a liberal. I'm not hypocritical on this subject.

So don't say that Christians are, please.

[Deja Q]

2. Bush thinks God has called him upon to do this mammoth task.

The guy's a raving nutter and should be locked up in a padded cell. Society would do the same for anybody else saying that God sent them...

Here are some Biblical quotes our religious nutcases conveniently forget:



Ecclesiasticus 13:3-8 (1)

Ecclesiasticus 13:16, 18-23 (1)

Ecclesiasticus 20:1

1 Timothy 6:10

Matthew 5:44

Matthew 7:1

Matthew 25:37-40

Luke 6:31

Luke 17:21


(1) The New Jerusalem Bible, Doubleday Publishing, 1989. This is the fun part about organized religion. So many people have translated the original texts in so many ways, no two versions are alike. Then there's the validity of the "original" text to consider...

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

3. He was a Liberal, case closed

[liberalron]

5. I have posted this link before, so forgive me if you are tired of it.

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm

Just because someone says they are "something", doesn't mean they are.
Pres. Bush also claims to be a "compassionate conservative", saviour of the middle class with his tax cuts, medicare drug benefit, saving the Middle East from itself, etc., etc.