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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:04 PM
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Susan Sontag: "The Photographs Are Us" (MUST READ)
VERY hard to pic a 'snip'

the article is long but WELL worth the time. I strongly recommend printing it out for a close read. it is a stunning, stunning indictment of the bush administration, the state of our society and the Abu Ghraib tortures.....

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Even when the president was finally compelled, as the damage to America's reputation everywhere in the world widened and deepened, to use the ''sorry'' word, the focus of regret still seemed the damage to America's claim to moral superiority. Yes, President Bush said in Washington on May 6, standing alongside King Abdullah II of Jordan, he was ''sorry for the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners and the humiliation suffered by their families.'' But, he went on, he was ''equally sorry that people seeing these pictures didn't understand the true nature and heart of America.''

To have the American effort in Iraq summed up by these images must seem, to those who saw some justification in a war that did overthrow one of the monster tyrants of modern times, ''unfair.'' A war, an occupation, is inevitably a huge tapestry of actions. What makes some actions representative and others not? The issue is not whether the torture was done by individuals (i.e., ''not by everybody'') -- but whether it was systematic. Authorized. Condoned. All acts are done by individuals. The issue is not whether a majority or a minority of Americans performs such acts but whether the nature of the policies prosecuted by this administration and the hierarchies deployed to carry them out makes such acts likely.

II.

Considered in this light, the photographs are us. That is, they are representative of the fundamental corruptions of any foreign occupation together with the Bush adminstration's distinctive policies. The Belgians in the Congo, the French in Algeria, practiced torture and sexual humiliation on despised recalcitrant natives. Add to this generic corruption the mystifying, near-total unpreparedness of the American rulers of Iraq to deal with the complex realities of the country after its ''liberation.'' And add to that the overarching, distinctive doctrines of the Bush administration, namely that the United States has embarked on an endless war and that those detained in this war are, if the president so decides, ''unlawful combatants'' -- a policy enunciated by Donald Rumsfeld for Taliban and Qaeda prisoners as early as January 2002 -- and thus, as Rumsfeld said, ''technically'' they ''do not have any rights under the Geneva Convention,'' and you have a perfect recipe for the cruelties and crimes committed against the thousands incarcerated without charges or access to lawyers in American-run prisons that have been set up since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

So, then, is the real issue not the photographs themselves but what the photographs reveal to have happened to ''suspects'' in American custody? No: the horror of what is shown in the photographs cannot be separated from the horror that the photographs were taken -- with the perpetrators posing, gloating, over their helpless captives. German soldiers in the Second World War took photographs of the atrocities they were committing in Poland and Russia, but snapshots in which the executioners placed themselves among their victims are exceedingly rare, as may be seen in a book just published, ''Photographing the Holocaust,'' by Janina Struk. If there is something comparable to what these pictures show it would be some of the photographs of black victims of lynching taken between the 1880's and 1930's, which show Americans grinning beneath the naked mutilated body of a black man or woman hanging behind them from a tree. The lynching photographs were souvenirs of a collective action whose participants felt perfectly justified in what they had done. So are the pictures from Abu Ghraib.

... so much more:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/magazine/23PRISONS.html
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:06 PM
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1. she's the greatest... very good article
Edited on Sun May-23-04 07:06 PM by thebigidea
I kinda figured such a fine writer on photography would have a lot to say about those pics... glad the NYTimes published it. Now, if they'd only get rid of Judith Miller...
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:07 PM
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2. There was a little bit of discussion on this last night.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:14 PM
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3. i *think* that's why I knew to look for this today...
but, I didn't get a chance to really sit and read it until just before I posted.

she's not 'light' but this piece is quite readable and places the 'photos' into needed context.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:16 PM
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4. They are us because the Congress gave GWB a free hand, the media
largely shilled for his every policy and little wars, and far too many of the American public approved an almost surely illegal war from the get-go and continue to approve notwithstanding what has gone down. Yes the actions were systematic, authorized, and condoned for they portray the essence of the moral authority and tone as set down by those in the highest echelons of the government of, by, and for the people. As a nation, we are indicted, IMNSHO, as surely as were the everyday German citizens in WWII.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:20 PM
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5. kick for a MUST READ
you really don't want to miss this one....
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:55 PM
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6. Again, we are fucked.
The image transcends the language. There is no spin left with the Islamic world. There is maybe 1 RPM with the UN. Bu$h-boy's 78 RPM pre-war hyper-spin with the American people, and the gullible Congress, is a dragging 33 & 1/3 RPM of The Star Spangled Banner at a the start of a drunken hazing party during the Bu$h-boy's informative years. Thank you Susan Sontag. I've blasted this one, far and wide.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:14 PM
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8. oh my...... your post
has left ME spinning!

I thank Ms. Sontag too and have also sent this one far and wide!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 08:33 AM
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20. image transcends the language
Edited on Mon May-24-04 08:34 AM by seemslikeadream
yes they do
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x577928


Portrait of Will James. Circa 1907, Cairo, illinois. Gelatin silver print. Real photo postcard. 3 1/2 x 5 1/2" ink inscription under oval portrait, "Will James (alias) Froggie."

Half- Burned Head of James on Pole" in Candee Park. November 11, 1909, Cairo, Illinois. Gelatin silver print. Real photo postcard. 3 1/2 x 5 1/2" ink inscription on reverse: "This Pole is in Candee Park. Enter section of Washington avenue and Elm st which have Will James (alia) Froggie half Burnt Head." Etched into negative, "Half Burned Head of James" and photographers name, "leBlock."


Will James likely sat for this portrait at a local postcard photographer's studio, a popular and inexpensive fashion of the time. This is the first image of the James lynching in a series of fifteen real photo postcards. Other images not reproduced here include the home of his alleged victim, Miss Anne Pelley; the home of the seven-year-old daughter of Mr. Boren, who found the murdered Miss Pelley in an alley she was crossing on the way to her grandmother's house; the "course the hounds took"; the trains the mob took over to reach Belknap, illinois, where James was apprehended, and to return him to Cairo for a public execution.

The rope from which James was hung broke before he died. His body was then "riddled with bullets," dragged by rope for a mile to the alleged scene of the crime, and burned in the presence of ten thousand spectators. According to the New York Times, five hundred "women were in the crowd and some helped to hang the negro and to drag the body."
more
http://www.musarium.com/withoutsanctuary/main.html
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:56 PM
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7. Kick !!! - And Thanks !!!
:kick:
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 09:58 PM
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9. GD is just not interested
as usual.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:00 PM
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10. it makes me almost want to dye a big white streak in my hair
Edited on Sun May-23-04 10:01 PM by thebigidea
I'm so glad she's still writing, this piece was killer.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:34 PM
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11. I Know What Ya Mean...
I had this one goin, thought it legit for comment, and it was like pulling teeth around here to get somebody to respond!!! I would have settled for a good, "Fuck You"!!!

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1634753

Maybe people just didn't want to drive a bulldozer through my argument. Course... they've always felt inclined to do so before, LOL !!!

:hi:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:45 PM
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12. Kick It!
Susan rocks....
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:50 PM
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13. link to Guardian reprint
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:06 PM
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14. "Up to then, there had been only words, which are easier to cover up..."
Words matter to me. They can stand for Truth. And some are True.

From the article:

EXCERPT...

The pictures will not go away. That is the nature of the digital world in which we live. Indeed, it seems they were necessary to get our leaders to acknowledge that they had a problem on their hands. After all, the conclusions of reports compiled by the International Committee of the Red Cross, and other reports by journalists and protests by humanitarian organizations about the atrocious punishments inflicted on ''detainees'' and ''suspected terrorists'' in prisons run by the American military, first in Afghanistan and later in Iraq, have been circulating for more than a year. It seems doubtful that such reports were read by President Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney or Condoleezza Rice or Rumsfeld. Apparently it took the photographs to get their attention, when it became clear they could not be suppressed; it was the photographs that made all this ''real'' to Bush and his associates. Up to then, there had been only words, which are easier to cover up in our age of infinite digital self-reproduction and self-dissemination, and so much easier to forget.

So now the pictures will continue to ''assault'' us -- as many Americans are bound to feel. Will people get used to them? Some Americans are already saying they have seen enough. Not, however, the rest of the world. Endless war: endless stream of photographs. Will editors now debate whether showing more of them, or showing them uncropped (which, with some of the best-known images, like that of a hooded man on a box, gives a different and in some instances more appalling view), would be in ''bad taste'' or too implicitly political? By ''political,'' read: critical of the Bush administration's imperial project. For there can be no doubt that the photographs damage, as Rumsfeld testified, ''the reputation of the honorable men and women of the armed forces who are courageously and responsibly and professionally defending our freedom across the globe.'' This damage -- to our reputation, our image, our success as the lone superpower -- is what the Bush administration principally deplores. How the protection of ''our freedom'' -- the freedom of 5 percent of humanity -- came to require having American soldiers ''across the globe'' is hardly debated by our elected officials.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/magazine/23PRISONS.html?pagewanted=1

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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:24 AM
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15. I want to kick this because it is important
that everyone read this article. I read it last night (we get the Times delivered and they deliver most of the Sunday sections with the regular Saturday paper), and it just blew me away. Worth every minute you spend reading it. So read it.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 04:50 AM
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16. Kick!
:kick:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 06:17 AM
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17. Banality of evil - man clipping nails next to torture vicim on box
with fake electrodes - that iconic image just became more chilling by being totally revealed....In another - the naked men pile, some people are walking by WITHOUT PAYING ATTENTION. These two detals sent chills down my spine - atrocities grew boring to these people


"Remember, it's not important that we did torture these people. What's important is that we are not the kind of people who would torture these people."
The Daily Show
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 08:04 AM
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18. i wonder when we will see
these 'uncropped' images...
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 08:24 AM
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19. Excellent article
don't get upset if people don't comment. It is not that people do not care. I think people are frustrated and burnt out because we realize that no matter how many good articles are written in the NYT, unless someone on CNN and FOX are saying the same thing, the american people will never get it.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 09:45 AM
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21. kick
just cause it really should be read.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:34 PM
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22. back to 1! n/t
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