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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:41 AM
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This was sent to me by a friend. Thoughts on how to respond? Thanks. (My quick knee-jerk reply is at the bottom.)

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It is amazing how the facts are unimportant to so many, and how soon they forget!

(Read through to the bottom!)

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam reject s peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from , but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb 18,1998

"e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." > - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that wil l threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ..... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNNECESSARILY!

Send this to everybody you know..The media and networks won't do it. Why do you suppose that is?



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My reply:

Oh we know he had them...all you have to do is ask George Herbert Walker Bush to show us the receipts.

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:43 AM
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1. Try snopes.com
anytime you get a cheesy e-mail like this, that's the first place to go.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:44 AM
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3. Here's the page
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

"However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in "degrad Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons." "


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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:44 AM
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2. Yeah, Clinton etc said those things... BUT
who was the one that took us to unilateral, pre-emptive war?

Big difference between agreeing that Saddam is a bad guy who most likely has weapons and starting a pre-emptive war.

I don't know if replying to your friend would help, though. But you could reinforce that BUSH is the one that wanted the war so he is the one responsible.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:32 AM
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10. Not only that
but any official is only as good as the intelligence he is given. What we need to know is who was feeding these guys the same pack of lies that caused a malleable dimwit to invade that country!

After all, a cadre of Pentagon wonks and intelligence insiders has cherrypicked and fabricated evidence twice to lead us into diastrous, unwinnable wars (Vietnam and Iraq) based on lies, crackpot ideology and a total lack of understanding of real geopolitical forces.

Once is a tragic error. Twice is the beginning of a very bad habit. Our intelligence and military policy wonks need to be held to account for these disasters, and a major cleaout of these organizations is absolutely vital. We can't afford ideologues in our intelligence and military policy groups.

In fact, we can't afford ideologues anywhere but the fringes, and it's high time they all went back there.
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Cleamatra Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:57 AM
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4. This is easy to refute
There are no links to any of the quotes listed. Are they reliable? Are they made up? One has to wonder...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:57 AM
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15. Hi Cleamatra!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:00 AM
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5. Your friend seems to have left out the part about ...
where Clinton said to give Halliburton and opened contract to screw the American people.

Oh! That's right Dick Cheney did that.

But he did leave out the part about Clinton saying the war would pay for itself.

Oops! That was Wolfie.

He also forgot about Clinton saying it's OK to break the Geneva Convention and torture prisoners.

Oh right! That was John Ashcroft.
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:07 AM
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6. According to Senator Nelson
They were told there were the weapons by the Pentagon, perhaps their secret sequel to the CIA manufactured the evidence.
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:14 AM
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7. and nothing there about Hillary either ?????
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 09:18 AM by the Kelly Gang
very sad how people justify a war in which 1000's of innocent civilians and nearly 1000 Allied soldiers have died .

My reply to anyone who says this war is justified is.. "either get off their yellow-bellied arse and get the fuck over there or get outa my face"..sick of putting up with this crap!!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:21 AM
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8. They really can't get over the fact that Clinton is not president anymore
We may just have to elect Hillary Clinton to satisfy their passions!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:28 AM
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9. google powell's 2001 comment on iraq
by then and thru the information, they knew the embargo's had worked and powell knew that iraq was not a threat
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:37 AM
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11. Here we go again
Everybody has some freeper asshole "friend" who sends them garbage propaganda and it ends up posted here.

When is the grand unmasking? Can't be soon enough.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:06 AM
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17. I have one of those FReeper asshole friends,
but I can handle him on my own, thanks.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:42 AM
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12. You could also send him back
that quote from Poppy Bush about why he didn't occupy Iraq or take Saddam out. It was in his book and then in TIME mag. Memoryhole used to have it online.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:46 AM
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13. Snopes has it
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
the quotes are real, but many are taken out of context and don't even have to do with THIS Iraq War
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 09:47 AM
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14. So many of the Dems are imperialist liars, too...
what's new?
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:05 AM
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16. This is the standard Hannity line.

The best way to debunk it is to talk about how when Clinton
bombed the last known WMD sites in Iraq, the Thugs screamed
"No war for Monica!!"

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