C-SPAN: BBV live at 10:15am EDT

[Bozita]

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp

10:15am EDT
 LIVE
2:00 (est.) Forum
Election Proceedures
American Enterprise Institute
Mark Seibel , Miami Herald
C. Boyden Gray , Committee for Justice
The beginning and end of this live program may be earlier or later than the scheduled times.

[Bozita]

1. coming up in 10 minutes

[Bozita]

2. on NOW ... wanna see the AEI approach to BBV

oh shit! John Fund

link for RealPlayer:

http://play.rbn.com/?url=cspan/g2cspan/live/cspan1-g2.rm&proto=rtsp

[eleny]

3. Yeah - Fund

And the first words out of the announcers mouth were how he wants this whole issue to go away. Ugh!

[Bozita]

5. Fund sounds suspicious of BBV

mentioned the Fla election decided by 12 votes

[LittleApple81]

4. Sorry... cannot stand Fund's smirking face!!!! He is making fun

of all the real concerns about this. And, did he say that Florida had tried to improve elections in 2000??? Hope I heard wrong.
If anybody is going to watch this, please tell me about this.

[LittleApple81]

6. HE IS AN IDIOT!!! I have watched for 1 minute, listened for 3

( I can hear his smirk in his voice!) I cannot stand this!!!!

[LittleApple81]

7. An article from Slate on Mark Seibel:

snip...
How does the Herald justify its undervote-only approach? Mark Seibel, the Herald assistant managing editor who is overseeing the paper's count, says he wanted a "real world" project, which was finding out "what would the result have been" of the Florida Supreme Court-ordered statewide recount "that was stopped." But Lake County officials say they would have included their overvotes in that recount! That "would have been outside the purview of the order," Seibel says. "Overvotes were never an issue in the election" controversy, he declares. True, the U.S. Supreme Court mentioned overvotes. "But," he says, "it's not part of the majority opinion."

"That's on the face of it wrong," counters Alan Murray, the Wall Street Journal's Washington bureau chief. Murray's right. Although Gore (foolishly) never asked to have overvoted ballots recounted, the possibility that they contain valid votes was an issue. Bush's lawyers raised it. The dissenting justices in the Florida Supreme Court raised it. And the U.S. Supreme Court--in the majority opinion--gave the following grounds for overturning the Florida Supreme Court's undervote-centric count:
snip....
http://slate.msn.com/id/1006897/

[Bozita]

8. "(BBV) is no panacea." -- Dan Keating of Wash Post

[LittleApple81]

9. To see a snippet of who C. Boyden Gray, go here:

could not cut and paste. But he has so many rightwing tentacles they can't describe them all:
http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/c_boyden_gray.htm

[librechik]

10. the experts are blowing those party hacks' minds!

YAY!

MARK SEIBEL RULES!

he says he is convinced there was never a recount in FL, only a review of uncounted votes, and Bush is president by SHEER ACCIDENT!

[eleny]

11. Bush is president by accident

n/t

[Bozita]

12. All of the papers discussed are available at AEI's website

I'm amazed at THIS presentation from THIS source.

[Bozita]

13. link to AEI's page dealing with this show

http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.829,filter.all,type.upcoming/event_detail.asp

For better or worse, the battle over the 2000 Florida election still remains with us. Billions of dollars are being spent by states to change their voting-machine systems in order to correct the perceived problems experienced in Florida. Yet much debate still exists over exactly what went wrong in Florida and whether the changes in voting machines will solve the problems or ensure an even worse disaster this November. The conference will feature experts in charge of instituting the new voting machines, academics that have studied these issues, and those responsible for the media recounts.


Related Material

Ansolabehere's paper on the New Hampshire recount  
Brady's paper  
Keating's paper  
Klinkner's paper  
Klinkner's remarks  
Lott's paper on ballots and discrimination  
Seibel's 5/11/01 article  
Shamos' paper  
Speaker biographies
Ansolabehere's paper on technology and residual votes  
Lott's paper on voter fatigue
Seibel's 4/4/01 article  

[LittleApple81]

14. Anybody knows the general gist and conclusion from the panel?

I am curious but looking at Fund's smirk just did it for me.

[Bozita]

15. presentations have descended into a morass of statistical overkill

Although I held some hope after the first few (Fund doesn't count) presentations, this is now a demographic analysis of elections past.

[LittleApple81]

16. Thanks Bozita. I see that we meet in kind of the same posts, listening

venues.

[Bozita]

17. Yes, and I'm going nuts now trying to stream Hartmann's show