I think that we might be looking at an attack soon

[burythehatchet]

Besides Eloriel's and the thread's of others, there are two other factors that deserve consideration.

A year ago bush announced a future amnesty program. If jobs are a problem, and the borders are a problem, and it is contrary to the interests of the base, why would he announce a FUTURE initiative that was certain to attract tens of thousands of illigals???

And 2, The Plame Indictments.

[burythehatchet]

1. you know what else is different?

the networks are reporting the threats, but Faux is not. Odd, no?

It's not even on their web site.

[Eloriel]

2. Whadya mean?

I'm just afraid of my own shadow and ought to relax, get a grip, and try not to worry about "things I can't control." /sarcasm

That said, the worse Bush's numbers look, the more pressure put on the electronic voting machines issue -- IOW, the more desperate they become when faced with stark reality -- the more dangerous a time it becomes.

We have, of course, been predicting something dire along these lines for many, many months here at DU. The closer the election gets, the higher the possibility. The way I figure it, it would have to be timed so that (a) there's not enough time for people to "recover" sufficiently to start asking impertinent questions or have doubts and (b) the shock value -- and FEAR of course -- have to be paramount. All that would probably make another attack (if that's the plan they choose) a late October event.

The most optimistic thing I can think of, which other DUers have speculated about, is a staged "thwarted attack." But that's pretty optimistic, and I'm not sure it has sufficient fear value for their purposes.

Time will tell. But hey, don't worry about "things you can't control."

[burythehatchet]

4. consider this

there are what...a dozen scandals and impeachable offenses that confront the bushies? You think they're going to let ANY investigation come to fruition? I think not. Because one finding of guilt will necessarily lead to a domino effect that will take down many fat and happy neocons. They will not go down without a fight.

[Pallas180]

13. If he does stage another attack

he better hope it's a direct hit on him and the pent
cause a lot of Americans are going to turn into a
French mob and tear that bastid from limb to limb.

Look what we found:

"NORTHWOODS was a strategy proposed by the United States Joint Chiefs of Staff to stage terrorist incidents involving American citizens, including hijacking airliners, to build public support for an invasion of Cuba. The plan was rejected by President John F. Kennedy who then fired the Chairman of the JCS. Here’s a very good overview:

OPERATION NORTHWOODS:
US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following. Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.

...In Lemnitzer's view, the country would be far better off if the generals could take over.

For those military officers who were sitting on the fence, the Kennedy administration's botched Bay of Pigs invasion was the last straw. "The Bay of Pigs fiasco broke the dike," said one report at the time. "President Kennedy was pilloried by the super patriots as a 'no-win' chief . . . The Far Right became a fount of proposals born of frustration and put forward in the name of anti-Communism. . . Active-duty commanders played host to anti-Communist seminars on their bases and attended or addressed Right-wing meetings elsewhere."

Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge.

According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

CONTINUED…

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

[shockingelk]

20. I'm skeptical

How would it benefit ChimpCo?

It would further undermine the claim "America is safer."

It would crush the economy - bad for the incumbent.

[burythehatchet]

23. My thinking on that is they know that under the status quo

they lose. In a card game when you know that the next cards pulled are losing cards for you, all you want to do is shuffle the deck. You may not start pulling winning cards but you at least have a chance. That's where they are at. They cannot go on forever with their criminal enterprise. They know that. They've drained the treasury, decimated policies that have been constructed over 40 years, and they have lost touch with reality. They are drunk with power and drunks do crazy things.

[seventhson]

3. Goebbel's said that the Reichstag fire was an "electoral bomb"

which thrust Hitler into total power -

and we know the Bushes were backing Hitler then too.

I think these words should be used to prepare for whatever "electoral bombs" are coming from Rove and the BFEE.

say it with me slowly:

"Electoral Bomb" Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbells, 1933 (Referring to the Reichstag Fire (quoted in Konrad Heiden's book: the History of National Socialism, Knopf, 1935)

[burythehatchet]

5. ah...the repeating nature of historical patterns

so reliable, so accurate

[enigmatic]

7. Maybe

I think it's going to be the most surreal summer/fall since 1968...

[burythehatchet]

8. does it feel similar?

[enigmatic]

9. I was only 5 in '68...

But I remember both MLK and Bobby Kennedy being killed, and how my own family were horrified by what was going on. You had a feeling it was a powder keg of anger that was ready to explode; I feel the same vibes now, even being up in Edmonton and looking at the US as an Expat..

[Pachamama]

17. Similar Vibrations....but - They signaled great change, for the better....

Sadly though, there will be unrest and death....I don't know in which form, how, when, where, but yes, I feel it too....

[Eloriel]

32. Not at all similar to me

Altho if very many of us back then had had any inkling of the evil forces behind those deaths, it might have been more similar. They just seemed random acts of insanity by the dark side, not coordinated manipulations by the dark side who (this time) just about "own" everything.

[jukes]

34. bth

not really. there was more verve & energy in the left then, but less stamina; or so it seemed from my youthful perspective.

the regimes in power were less illegitemate, & overall, less potentially repressive & dangerous.

i don't believe we're going to see a replay of those times.





i don't want to talk about the future i foresee.

[seventhson]

35. I think it is MUCH worse than 1968

There was not total control by fascists then - they had a grip but not a full nelson like they have now.

The potential for Martial law and suspension of elections and habeus corpus is much greater.

While Nixon was a crook and his allies/patrons included the Bushes, he hasd far less ability to carry out their plans.

Now they have that power.

One attack. One red alert. One suspended election.

and they can begin filling the camps and the pits with kindling slaves like us.

[burythehatchet]

6. Want more?

Oil futures have busted through 42 bucks. Highest level ever. Somebody knows.

[Pachamama]

18. Yeah, my Oil Stocks in BP have done great....

I own them so I can vote at their shareholder meetings on initiatives for them to clean up their act....

Yeah, the people know...I know a Geologist who told me 7 years ago that by 2010 we'd be in Crisis and by 2020 - well, lets just put it this way - the oil profiteers and geologists know that even with untapped reserves and sites - we have about 15 years left....

Did you check the various companies investing in alternative energy? Watch those....

[NightOwwl]

10. I don't understand the sudden dread and sense of doom.

If there is such an imminent threat, why isn't Bush back in the White House, protecting all of us from "terra?"

Why is Fox, the mouthpiece of the White House, completely silent on this matter?

Isn't this just playing into the hands of BushCo?

And finally, if all of this is true...I guess there are two choices. Live in fear or live fearless. I choose the latter.

[burythehatchet]

11. all good questions

I will leave it to you to ponder them. Your opinion will be better formed if you put he pieces together yourself, like Eloriel has been suggesting.

[NightOwwl]

12. No need to ponder

A tinfoil hat won't protect me from threats, real or imagined, so I'll just go on with my life. But thanks for the suggestion.

[Generic Other]

14. Who got rich off the "put" trades on the Stock Exchange on 9/11?

Any current action on that front?

[shraby]

16. The only think I heard about

the put trades was that no one has claimed them and the records of who did it was in the twin towers. ????????

[Tight_rope]

15. Ok...We have a "NEW AND IMPROVED THREAT"

It's getting to be like a new Charmin commercial. How soft and pretty do we need our toilet paper to be, before we realize that it really doesn't matter anyway, because it's only going down the toilet.

[Pachamama]

19. And its for the same Sh*t from the same Sh*t's anyway....n/t

[dbt]

21. An attack is the only weapon remaining in the bu$h arsenal.

The Worthless Little Fuck is going to go down in the biggest set of flames ever witnessed by Murkins. Everybody at the WhiteHaus knows it, including WLF himself.

There's no way the Regime can pull the economy out of the shitter long enough to sway enough alienated workers back to the Pug fold. They can't pull the troops out of Iraq Nam; Cheney's boys would NEVER stand for the loss of profits. After all the cries of Wolf--without a single subsequent attack--a staged and "thwarted" attack is too much of a gamble. It might just not have the desired effect; too many people might well see through it.

Nope, there's gonna HAVE to be another attack.

Another Terra Attack is a win-win for the bu$histas. If it don't scare us all into electing his sorry ass, it will be the sort of Hitlerian Scorched Earth that will "serve us right" for turning away from the True Path.

The attack will come; it's just a matter of when. October 20 seems about right.

:tinfoilhat:
dbt

[tlcandie]

22. October 27th is a full moon...

They like to plan things with all those thriller elements included in their alternate reality skits. Remember Iraq and the cloak of total darkness cover they were looking for?

[tom_paine]

24. I don't think there is any question the Imperial Family requires an attack

(even if they have to have their friends do it themselves)

I believe that LIHOP #2 or perhaps MIHOP #2, is coming and soon.

Maybe San Francisco, maybe NYC again. The Bushes hate both cities equally

[merh]

27. Why not Chicago? Where the Plame matter is being investigated?

That will delay/stop the investigation and destroy any records gathered. :think: I wouldn't put it past them. That would be the city.

[burythehatchet]

28. Never in a state that they have even a shot at.

only in true blue states.

[merh]

29. Isn't Obama from Illinois? Aren't they hurting there?

:shrug:

[burythehatchet]

31. They're hurting EVERYWHERE. Both the coasts are a lost cause for them

the people on the coasts just have too high of an IQ, as a group.

[kentuck]

25. MIHOP or LIHOP ?

:shrug:

[burythehatchet]

26. whaddya mean kentuck?

[0007]

30. Repukes are beefing up the propaganda, inciting fear and more fear

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((FEAR))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[burythehatchet]

33. today's NYTimes says

that the NY Police Dept is issuing warnings.

Since WHEN DO THE NY POLICE ISSUING WARNINGS> They're supposed to come from AssKraK aren't they?

[Bluebear]

36. Holland Tunnel is closing to commerical traffic

[burythehatchet]

37. Man, I know what its like to commute to NYC

telecommuting seems like a really good option these days.