Bush like Hitler not bogus...............

[scared]

I would like someone to tell me why Bush should not be compared to Hitler? We attack nations for no other reason than our quest for domination. We are better than the rest of the world and everyone needs to be like us. Iraq was an unarmed nation, with no military to speak of and we basically slaughtered them. Their plans go far beyond Iraq to ostensibly spread democracy through the world using force when necessary. Which it will always be because we want to control their resources.

He seems to have no empathy for the torture and killings that have happened on his watch at Guantanamo and elsewhere. In fact, he has said that humane treatment does not apply. Something very sick about that.

In fact, we have a very sick nation right now, people who I believe know where we are headed, just like in Germany, but don't want to believe that it could possibly happen here, because after all, this is the United States of America.

Last night I was at a meeting of democratic party members, and I have to tell you that to a man, everyone was worried about this nation turning into a dictatorship. In fact, one of the people at the meeting related a conversation he had with a candidate for state legislature. Said that he fears this may be our last free election if Bush gets into office again. I have to believe that there are a lot of politicians out there who think exactly the same thing, but can't say anything publicly for fear of backlash.

Which leads me to another point that I don't like to believe, but has been on my mind alot. Any that is, I fear, that this cabal will not go quietly into the night, as Chris Floyd would say. They have just started an agenda that they have been planning for a long time, and I don't think they will let a little old election get in their way. I hope I am wrong, but I just don't know anymore.

[sniffa]

1. i compared him to hitLer today actuaLLy

the op/ed page has a Large drawing of him - i couLd stand Looking at him, so i gave him a hitLer stash and wrote, "vote for me 'cuz i hate kerry."

[Cronus Protagonist]

55. Isn't he a bit more like WonderWoman?

He wraps himself in the flag, prances around in boots, and costumes, and manages to do "brave" things without even messing up his hair.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

82. I love it.

He must have been flying his invisible airplane in the Alabama Guard too, since nobody saw him.

[Spiffarino]

84. L.O.-freakin'-L, CJ

:D

[cosmicvortex20]

95. uh because you look like a deranged lunitic to the masses?

While the viewpoint gets more support here on DU, the general public understand the general rule "Anytime Hitlers name is invoked, you can stop listening - as the hyperbole is just starting".

Keep shouting Hitler and you convince noone and just turn people off.

[genius]

105. He makes Hitler look good.

Hitler can say to God, "At least I wasn't as bad as Bush."

[apnu]

2. Depends on how you make the comparison.

People are real sensitive, and rightly so, about Hitler (But not as much about Staling, strange...)

So it sort of depends on how you make the argument. "Hitler" is a very emotionally charged word for most people, and especially liberals. Although, strangely enough, the GOP "voters" have no qualms about using "Hitler" in their dialog and lexicon.

They like to say "Hitlerly" for Hillary all the time, personally I don't get it. They also like to hand around, and giggle at, pictures of Hitler strutting around Paris with the Eiffel Tower in the back ground, which is just sick IMO.

So, if you want to be heard, choose your use of "Hitler" very carefully, and be mindful of the tone. If not used with care, you'll just piss people off and they won't want to listen to what you have to say.

Having said that, yeah, there has been several cases where people have said that there are some similarities between the Bush II White House and the Nazi regime. There are some :tinfoilhat:'s who even draw stark lines to 9/11 and the Burning of the Reichstag.

(on edit: fixed comma)

[sffreeways]

38. Burning of the Reichstag

not a stretch.

There is also his grandfathers connections to the Nazi party.

I have worked for two wealthy employers, WEALTHY and educated employers that have Nazi memorabilia in their homes. One guy has enlarged original photos of Hitler with Mussolini. Oh and they are Bush supporters. Some power hungry conservatives admire Hitler look at Arnold. Didn't he say that years ago in some body building magazine ?

I don't get the Hitlery thing either. Idiots.

[madrchsod]

3. bush is a figure head

of the military industrial complex and the great wealth of this nation. Hitler wasn`t..hitler became to powerful for the rich in Germany to ignore ,they had to back him or be left out of the spoils. Hitler also inherited a broken Germany where as bush inherited a nation with vast wealth and pro deeded to break it. more importantly is that Hitler was the most powerful speaker probably of the last century...bush can hardly speak...

[jpgray]

4. No, but it's a worthless comparison in an argument

People here associate Hitler exclusively with killing millions of Jews in death camps, and so they throw out the comparison immediately as crazy since Bush has yet to commit mass genocide. It will seem too outrageous for them to take you seriously.

Of course, that people are heavily uninformed on what went down in the twenties and thirties leading up to Poland goes without saying.

[RUSTY SHACKLEFORD]

8. Ah but keep in mind

there was a time when even Hitler had less blood on his hands than Dubya does now.

[oasis]

5. Wait a minute, Bush told us that Saddam was Hitler. That's right, the

de-fanged leader of a third rate nation.

[jackieforthedems]

6. Bush Could Be Hitler's Brother

I know what you're saying. It worries me why other people can't seem to see it. Prescott Bush helped in the financing of Hitler's extermination of the Jews, etc... The fruit never falls far from the tree, isn't that the saying?! Did you know Hitler also nailed Greece during WW II? I didn't know that until the Olympics were on and they mentioned it on Closing Ceremonies night. Anyway, all the info is right there, regarding Bush, and people are still wearing those rose-colored glasses. http://www.savethemales.ca/000546.html has some interesting info on there. About 1/2 way down the page, click on where it says, Bush, Bin Laden Serve The Same Master. After reading that, you'll come to Grandfather Prescott Bush Helped Arrange Financing For Nazism - a ways down that page. infowars.com has an interesting site, as well. There is alot of info under REX 84-FEMA also - just what can take place if Martial Law is ever enforced. People ask, how could these things happen? Well, for one thing, people are too trusting. Even if they think something seems fishy or makes them wonder, they still deny what is happening sometimes. I always say, look at how wars are fought. First, they knock out things like communication, etc... Who would know what is going on if there's no tv, no radio, etc? I think we were really tested with 9-11, when they halted all airline transportation. They can do that any time Martial Law is enforced. So, first you have no communication, then, you have no transportation. They can take control over people's bank accounts, food, fuels, etc... I always wonder about the banking direct wiring, direct deposit - pretty darn convenient way to seize your bank account now, isn't it? The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc... While it seems like a good thing, is it? Again, a violation of our Constitutional Rights, and while it may be difficult for people to get into the country, what if you wanted to get out? Would Homeland Security and the border patrols let you? Most of the rest of the world hates us because of George Bush. Wouldn't it be a perfect time to re-organize this country under those circumstances? This NWO stuff should be of some concern to people, too. I, personally, think there is something to it. While the changes being made in the US may not be all at once, the changes that are being made are little, gradual ones - so that it's more difficult for people to take notice. Heard the rumors of Concentration Camps and UN/foreign military vehicles at some of our bases here? I think Guantanamo is a test site for the rest of these facilities. I know I sound really cynical, but I'm glad that I'm aware of what could happen if we don't keep our eyes open to the possibilities of these things, these reports, etc... I am not panicking over any of it. I get up each day and live life to the fullest, but I don't think it hurts to be aware. Here in Minnesota, the disabled, the elderly and veterans all have had substantial budget cuts to deal with - the latest being that Medical Assistance has some number set up so that people can get a ride to their medical appointments ( they are eliminating medical shuttle ride service to many here). It's funny, but people are calling this new MA number to get a ride, but either the line is busy or no one returns the call if you leave a message. I have a disabled son, and although we do not use this service, if I didn't have my own van to get my son to his appointments ( and he's been on 10 in the last 2 months ), and if he had no one else to rely on, can you imagine how things would be for him? It's like they are trying to snuff out certain groups of people by denying them things they need. Then, the domino effect thing starts - the shuttle service loses business and money, the doctors lose money because their clients can't get to the doctors' appointments, etc... Maybe certain people haven't been effected by Bush yet. 4 more years of him, though, and I'm certain everyone will be feeling some sort of repercussions. Look at what's happening in Ohio with home ownership. Bush says he wants to make us an ownership society. Hmmm. I think there's going to be a 2nd Great Depression within the next 4 years, and I think property values are going to drop - all due to another 4 years of Bush (if he gets in, that is). I hope not, I really hope not. I don't know. People need to wake up before it's too late.

[sugargoose]

92. Reincarnated actually.........

Bush was born very shortly after Hitler reportedly died. Do you believe in re-incarnation?

[jackieforthedems]

99. Yes, Actually, I Do

Nostradamus believed that there would be 3 Anti-Christs - 1. Napoleon, 2. Hitler, and 3. Mabus. Although he didn't always have the exact name perfect, he was very close. He called Napoleon, Napolonroi (not sure if I spelled it right), Hitler, Hister, and alot of people think Mabus is the American Bush. Another poster in here gave us this link: http://www.bushisantichrist.com/ - Go down the page to exhibit #7 Nostradamus and read what it says. I believe in re-incarnation because if Jesus can return, why not the rest of us? I am not saying that we are equivalent to Jesus in regards to His superiority or anything like that. He is King. Although I do not think everyone's spirit does or will return, I do think that we all have lessons to learn and that until we learn them and get things right, we will have to come back in order to achieve that perfection. Some get it right the first time, for others it may take several times. Kind of like the angel getting it's wings in, "It's A Wonderful Life". I also believe that we pick our assignments prior to being born to our parents, but that we don't realize what our destiny is until it's time for us to know that, and that that varies for each of us.

[RUSTY SHACKLEFORD]

7. The neocons are a very toned down version of the nazis.

They're circa 1930's nazis before Hitler annexed the Rhineland and invaded Poland. But they exhibit much the same mass-dementia that swept up Germany: intense nationalism, jingoism, a desire to curtail civil liberties and to modify the Constitution to eviscerate rights, warmongering ... the people are junior nazis.

It's not hyperbole. Read your history books and try to understand the elements that motivated Nazism. It's the same stuff with the neocons. And don't think that just because this is America it can't happen here. People with that attitude are either naive or fools. They're the ones that wake up and find themselves in the concentration camp.

[duhneece]

81. The neocons are....junior nazis

Junior nazis has such a ring of truth-thanks.

[Art_from_Ark]

91. "It Can't Happen Here"

That's the title of a 1935 Sinclair Lewis novel in which a conservative Southernor, with the help of a nationally syndicated radio talk show host, runs for president (and wins) on a platform of "family values, the flag, and patriotism," but with a very hidden agenda based on corporatism, or fascism. People who support traditional American values are ridiculed, as are "promiscuous" people, "welfare cheats", and a whole lot of others who are not in the mainstream of American society.

[USA_1]

9. Bush = Hitler

I have posted several threads about this issue throughout the Internet. In each instance, the ultra reichsters go into a panic and criticize the topic but fail to refute it. Here's a few ideas =


Hitler disregarded the League of Nations.
Bush disregarded the UN.


Hitler launched a "pre-emptive" attack in violation of law.
Bush launched one as well, again, in violation of law.

Hitler's actions led to the creation of the Nuremburg Doctrine.
Bush's violated the N/D as said by Ben Ferencz who created the idea.


Hitler blamed the Social Democrats for Germany's political problems.
Bush blames the Liberal Democrats for USA political woes.


Hitler blamed Jews and other minorities for social problems.
Bush + Co blame minorities for social problems.



Bush-Hitler = a perfect blend.

[RUSTY SHACKLEFORD]

10. I think it goes deeper than this.

Much deeper than cherry picking a few similarities. The same sort of comparisons could be made for FDR, Lincoln, or any number of historic leaders.

Bush is not Hitler.

But his base, the neocons, ARE Nazis.

It's a mindset. These people don't care what rules have to be broken or who has to die for them to have their way. Four more years of Bush and this country will be in a frenzy.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

50. One point:

"Hitler blamed the Social Democrats for Germany's political problems.
Bush blames the Liberal Democrats for USA political woes."


Everyone on this forum blames the Conservative Republicans for USA's political woes. Does this make us somewhat like Hitler, too?

[USA_1]

65. Reply

Democrats are not in power and do not seek to control the world through expansionism, terrorism, and brutal repression. Board members seek only to restore America's greatness which is what patriots are supposed to do.

Members of this board are not demanding the killing of internationals or of depleting our resources in order to enrich the wealthy as do the Republicans.

It was Democrats who stopped Hitlerism in the 1940s. Be thankful for that or you would likely be saying Seig Heil to his successors today.

[Artemis Bunyon]

104. You've got it right, except the people Hitler hated most were...

...the Left.

Before anybody else in Hitler's Germany, the Left was attacked and slandered and persecuted and accused of being "irrelevant" or "the cause of" the economic and political turmoil post WWI.

That is what is happening here now. Mass-scapegoating of a political persuasion, with the media's cowardly complicity, because they fear the wrath of the Right's Cult of Action.

If the patern holds, they will move from slander, libel and ridicule to outright persecution. People will be thrown in jail for things they wrote in political newsgroups ten years ago. Arabs and Muslims will be rounded up and put in camps after the next 911-level "attack", guaranteed.

Get a gun, now. Get as many guns as you can legally buy. And stock up on ammo. Things could get ugly in a great big hurry.

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[Disturbed]

12. Neo Fascists

a comparison to Musolini is a more apt one. Not the person but the agenda.

[Paranoid_Portlander]

94. Yes. I was thinking of Mussolini's colonial invasions...

...of militarily weak countries such as Libya, Ethiopia (Abyssinia), and Albania in an effort to glorify himself.

[VOX]

13. DUers: DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a malicious prank that hijacks your PC and calls you "an idiot."

Funny, huh?

[Dangerman]

14. Bush IS Hitler.

Both are power-mad psycho monsters who invaded defenseless nations under false pretenses.

And one more thing...

Bush hates Arabs. Arabs are the NEW Jews.

Remember, ladies and gentlemen, a vote for Bush is a vote for Hitler.

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[YoQuieroLiberty]

90. Wow, I'm convinced!

Thanks for the update!

(not)

[daddybear]

102. Agreed

A vote for Bush is a vote for more death of our troops, innocent women and children (and men) -- and destruction of this world. He is a demon among demons.

[mackoman]

16. Bullshit!

Oh be realistic!!!! Bush = Hitler?? In all fairness, this gets liberalism nowhere. It's often said that the first side in a debate to bring up Hitler is the side that will lose. And that is all you're doing. Yes, the Patriot Act screws around with freedoms a bit. It's wrong. But it's not fascist. He invades countries. Yes he does. And that's wrong. But it's not for the same reasons that Hitler did! Afghanistan was a just war. Iraq wasn't, granted, but this hardly makes Bush Hitler! And what else is there? Nothing!

Blind rhetoric is all your spewing here.

[mmonk]

17. I don't know

about the Patriot Act compared to Fascism. I thought Fascism was a blend of corporations and governments or am I wrong?

[LisaL]

19. Hah?

Didn't Hitler start small?
One little country, then another...
:eyes:

[jackieforthedems]

22. That's What I Was Trying To Say

in my above post. It could be done here easily if communications and transportation was shut down. One city at a time.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. BULLSHIT yourself.

Prescott Bush made his millions helping Hitler exterminate 6 MILLION jews. That is where the BUSH money came from. Read PNAC....WORLD DOMINATION agenda. HEGEMONY. READ IT! You might learn something. Open your eyes!

He lied about why he wanted to illegally attack Iraq, he lied about the yellowcake, he lied about the mushroom cloud, he lied about the mobile weapons labs, he lied about serin gas, VX agent and anthrax. He is raping SS and medicare. He's destroying our schools so we have nothing but "faith based" BULLSHIT schools. His corporate buddies are getting rich off the backs of people earning jack squat. Don't tell me he's not the modern day Hitler because he IS. :grr:

[YankeeFan]

29. And I Say "BULLSHIT yourself." to you.

The Bush Leaguers made their money from oil.

Otherwise explain how Bush 41 was permitted to be shot down during World War II.

[BiggJawn]

42. Nobody shot 41 down.

He left a perfectly good aircraft and killed his crew.
And he was in the Pacific because it'd been embarassing to have him have to fight his dad's business partners....

You need to do some more reading. Samuel Bush made his money from WWI kick-backs (help US arms companies ship munitions to Germany via Brazil) when he worked for the war department. Prescott bush made his money managing German shipping and playing banker for one A. Hitler. Oil came later, and Poppy was the first "Bush Oil Man", having graduated from Harvard (on the GI Bill, I'll bet, even though his daddy could have paid for all 4 years from the "change" on his dresser top) and moving to Odessa to take a job in the oil fields in 1948...

[stavka]

67. What's wrong with making money off Germany in WWI before US entry

Everybody was a guilty party in that piece of crap welcome to the 20th century.

[BiggJawn]

74. Oh, hell, I have NO idea....

Guess there really wasn't anything wrong with making money off of S. American Cocaine and buying weapons for Iran with the profits, either, was there.

Or short-sheeting the troops in Iraq and charging the taxpayers inflated prices for THAT piece of KBR crap. Welcome to the 21st fuckin' century.

The point was to show that the Bush family fortune didn't come from "oil". it was huge BEFORE Poppy decided to try his hand at dealing in leases and exploration, and it is a bloody fortune...

[USA_1]

30. "the first side in a debate to bring up Hitler"

... loses.

Thank you. I agree 100%.

Of course, it was the Bushshitters who equated Saddam with Hitler by saying that he has evil expansive intensions and that he was about to invade the world thorugh his 45 minute attack capability and WMD. Since it was these Bushshitters who were the first to bring up Hitler, it is they who lose this argument.



O8) Peace to all.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. hitler fought a Resource War same as bush*s Resource War

all wars are Resource Wars

[scared]

48. Uh, I happen to think you are dead wrong.

I don't think Osama or Al Queda had anything to do with 911. I think it was planned by people in this administration to put into action a PLAN. This whole war on terrorism, in my opinion, is a giant hoax on the America people. Terrorism is everywhere, which means they can invade anywhere. Just what the doctor ordered. And I am not the only one who has doubts about Osama being responsible. Read the article from Ted Rall, which I will post at the end of this. But I always wondered why the biggest criminal in US history is no longer even a blip on the radar with this administration. And there is a very simple answer: He didn't do it. But they do have their war on terror now, and carte Blanch, it seems, to invade wherever they see fit.

Here is the link to the Ted Rall article:

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=17677&mode=nested&order=0

[UpsideDownFlag]

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[RUSTY SHACKLEFORD]

20. Notice how this thread attracts the Reichtards.

The Bush==Hitler thing hits close to home for the neocons.

[jackieforthedems]

23. Those That Can See Will Take Heed

http://bibleprophecy.net/ An interesting link in regards to this discussion. The Abomination Of Desolation. Click on where it says Christians are being deceived by the plane hitting the Twin Towers.

[RUSTY SHACKLEFORD]

24. You are SO right! People, READ THIS!

Here is the link:

http://bibleprophecy.net/deceived.htm

[USA_1]

32. deceived?

here's why



http://www.bushisantichrist.com




bush = :evilfrown:

[jackieforthedems]

56. That's A Really Good Site

Thanks! It's right on accurate with everything.

[TankLV]

40. It cuts way too close to home.

These idiots refuse to understand what many have posted here - lengthy valid examples.

But they can easily dismiss all the evidence that supports the bush* = Hitler.

The fact that there are SOOOOOO many thousands of similarities - plus the fact that things are happening in almost exactly THE SAME ORDER is enough damning evidence.

Sure you can find a FEW examples of how they're not alike:

Hilter was a great speaker.
Hitler fought honerably and courageously during WWII in Battle.
Hitler actually WON his position.
Hitler never told us he "misspoke" or "we didn't hear him right.
Etc.

[Dangerman]

25. Hmmm...

If Bush is "not" Hitler, then Bush WORSHIPS Hitler.

Besides. his granddaddy support Mr. Furher so it seems natural.

[jackieforthedems]

26. Have You Heard Now

That the Bush Admin. plans to raise Medicare premiums up 17% next year? He's so evil! It's in Latest Breaking news in DU now.

[Paradise]

31. Just saw something frighteningly familiar, on Bill Moyers' "Now"!

It brings to mind the quote that:

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it!"

Bill Moyers' "Now" will be repeated on PBS Sunday night at 11:30 P.M. EDT.

Watch the last segment, specifically convention clips of *.

Can't put it into words, don't want to, and won't; it's an eery feeling, something you have to experience.

If you watched * last night (I couldn't) or "Now" tonight, you may already have that same feeling.

[jackieforthedems]

57. History Does Repeat Itself

Yes, that's what they say. They said something like Pearl Harbor would never happen again, but look at 9-11. Just an example.

[Eloriel]

34. Some links for those of you who are interested in pursuing this

line of thinking:

Fascism Anyone? by Laurence W. Britt
http://secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

March 16, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History by Thom Hartmann
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm

The NASCAR Nazi
Bush is creating an un-American America
http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/38/lost-washburn.php

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread (Aug. 03)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853#199877

Nazification of America Phase 3
http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm

The Reichstag Fire and 9/11; Pretexts for Dictatorship and the Fourth Reich
Includes: Parallels between the Third Reich and the Bush Regime; 9/11 and the Reichstag Fire; What was the Reichstag Fire; Nazis in America; Poland 1939, Iraq 2003 http://www.oilempire.us/reichstag-fire.html


Bush's 9/11 Reichstag Fire by Harvey Wasserman
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0913-03.htm


20 Comparisons by Barrie Zwicker
http://www.deceptiondollar.com/news/BloorRemarks911-03.htm


The Bush Plan for America: The Rise of an American National Security State
By Jennifer Van Bergen, 14 December 2003 http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/2003/12/3232.shtml

Bush is *not* Hitler!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1868574


What Is Fascism
(This one is quite good and incl. two-tiered legal system as well as many other hallmarks, and Dr. Lawrence Britt's list, and additional links)
http://www.couplescompany.com/FEATURES/Politics/Structure3.htm

Superpower Democracy (another must read)
http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/2003_07_01_gd.html#105880160504381723

America, We Have a Problem
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i4dodd.htm

They Thought They Were Free
http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free_nn4.html

Fascism and America Today
by Aldo Vidali
http://www.apj.us/20010312fascism.html

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SYMBOLISM:
You know why Operation "Iron Hammer" sounds Nazi like?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=709776#710186
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FASCISM:
"fas-cism (fbsh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm

The F Scale
(Measures one's authoritarian personality profile, which makes one receptive to fascism, based on research done after WW2)
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm
link posted here: He's Acting Like Nixon in the Final DaysHas Bush Gone Over the Edge? (has some good links re fascist personality, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1725171

Fascism Anyone? by Laurence W. Britt
http://secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm


Bethune Institute Anti-Fascist Studies
http://bethuneinstitute.org/index2.html

Umberto Eco on Fascism
http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html


What Is Fascism
(This one is quite good and incl. two-tiered legal system as well as many other hallmarks, and Dr. Lawrence Britt's list, and additional links)
http://www.couplescompany.com/FEATURES/Politics/Structure3.htm

Superpower Democracy (another must read)
http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/2003_07_01_gd.html#105880160504381723


IS AMERICA BECOMING FASCIST?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2159330
This article: IS AMERICA BECOMING FASCIST? http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/fascism.htm

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MORE:
TARPLEY - Unauthorized Biography
http://www.tarpley.net
http://www.the7thfire.com/bush1.htm

Nazi Hydra in America
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html


Nazi, GOP, big business, Bush Knots
http://www.sunmt.org/bushnazi.html


The Nests of Osama bin Laden
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BinLaden.htm

Bruce Campbell Adamson Website
(has a book available: JFK Assassination Timeline)
http://www.ciajfk.com/


Nazi Echo - Consortium News (archived articles)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/nazi.html


Democracy Unbound
(several articles, see also Encyclopedia)
http://democracyunbound.com/bfeebook.html

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DU Threads (by no means ALL the DU threads that have been on this topic):

Wanna know where today's Fascism came from? Look here 8/29/04
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2282969#2283235

Bush,Machiavelli,StraussIF NO EXTERNAL THREAT EXISTS ONE MUST BE INVENTED
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2255230

Fascism, Nazism, & Eugenics supported by Oil Barons of America &
esp. the Rockefeller Foundation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2248507


It's Time for Another Bush/Nazi Thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853#199887
(most links already harvested)

1944: American fascism (re 1944 article)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=212387


Enough with the "_______ is worse than/ as bad as Hitler"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1730317


How Reagan Got Elected in the first place -- My little tribute
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1773894#1776990 (See Octafish post #33 for links to some books on Amazon)


Is U.S. REALLY like Germany in the 30's? (elementaryPenguin)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1772363#1772645
See also: Is US like Germany of the '30s? (Kayell)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1777406#1780958

Are we on the road to becoming Nazi's?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1784358#

Second Circuit Judge Tells It Like It Is: Bush Is Illegitimate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1833026
re this news story: http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/06/21&ID=Ar00101

Comparing Bush to Hitler hurts our credibility
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1873137#1873330

The Fascism is getting harder to hide. And harder to fight.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=750446

"American fascists" among us
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2026031

Joe Stanton: "Bush's Operation Clean Sweep: World War IV in 2004?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=808293

Fascism?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1948137

Way, Way Past Time To Label BushCo As Nazis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1966911#1967150

I'm crying (Elf sees the warning signs)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1791526#1791609

Is America Becoming Fascist?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2159330

What Would Machiavelli Do? The Big Lie Lives On ...Thom Hartmann
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2276024

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And for the naysayers, or those who trot out that tired, inept to start with old canard about "the first one who mentions Hitler in a discussion has lost the argument," I say this: when you're finished reading up, get back to us.

Welcome to the new DUers and congratulations to those who've noticed the frightening similarities on their own.

[Paradise]

35. so tired right now. bookmarked. thanks. n/t

[BiggJawn]

43. Thanks for linking to Tarpley.

Fascinating reading! The Bush family has been making money from War, Death, and Misery since 1914.

And they were big fans of "eugenics" in the 20's and 30's, financing lecture tours for a noted "doctor" from Germany. Prescott thought that you could breed "undesirable traits" out of people like you could livestock (well, thoroughbred horses, but they're still animals) and Poppy, even as recently as the 70's, thought poor people have too many babies...The Purity of the RICH "Master Race". Eye and hair colour don't matter as much as how long your family has had its fortune, it would seem.

But there will be those who still scream "Bush hasn't killed 6,000,000, so stop saying he's like HITLER! You piss on the memory of the 6,000,000 when you do!"

Blind fools.

[Cookie wookie]

53. Thanks Eloriel

Preaching to the choir here, but appreciate the links anyhoo.

[jackieforthedems]

58. Great Links!

Thanks, Eloriel!!!

[nolabels]

77. Some of the best information about this subject comes out...............

from Germany. All with a similar theme, it has information on everything but the money which turns up everywhere else.

Wonder what that's all about :think:

Banks’ Nazi Connections Exposed
by Rob Gowland

Fifty years ago, on February 25, 1946, Russell Nixon, Director of the Division of Investigation of Cartels and External Assets in the US Military Government in Germany, testified before the Kilgore Committee of the US Congress that the United States and Britain were preventing the Soviet Union from participating in the search for Nazi assets in neutral countries.

Soviet participation, declared Nixon, would "lay bare the Fascist or reactionary regimes in countries such as Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, Sweden and Argentina and would reveal all the elements of collaboration of certain interests in the Allied countries with those regimes."

Half a century later, a small fragment of the involvement of Switzerland and Sweden with both the financing of the Nazi regime and the protection of their assets was suddenly exposed to public gaze just last month with the release in the USA of thousands of documents from a wartime US intelligence operation code-named "Safehaven".

Greatly expanded immediately the War ended, Operation Safehaven’s aim was to uncover how the Nazis used neutral countries, including Switzerland and Sweden, as a conduit for capital flow and as a way to hide their assets.

Not only were Safehaven’s discoveries not shared with the Soviet Union, they were kept secret from US legislators and the US people, locked away as "restricted" material in the US National Archives
(snip)
http://www.copi.com/articles/nazibank.html
http://jagor.srce.hr/~mprofaca/nazigold.html

[LibertyorDeath]

36. This is where the USA is heading if People don't stop it.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/072904_coup_detat_america.shtml

[doc03]

37. Remind you of anything?

[Eloriel]

41. OMG. Thanks for posting that.

I think. :scared:

[stavka]

63. Looks like either party conventions - I get it

[jmowreader]

72. Nope. It certainly does not.

Dipshit wouldn't be caught dead speaking in front of that many people.

Forget the stiff-armed salutes. Forget the Obligatory Patriotic Symbol. Forget the fact that neither one of them speaks English. And forget the fact that they're both dictators. Hitler did not have the absolute fear of his population that Bush displays on a daily basis.

Yes, Hitler was worried about getting assassinated by people who didn't like him--all dictators are, and they tried it at least once--but Bush won't even speak in front of people who worship the ground he walks on. Bush even screens soldiers--look at the poor bastards in Plasticturkeygate; only Republican soldiers got to eat that night.

[Capn Sunshine]

39. Add to this the preprogrammed statement that it's impolite

What has been pounded into our heads since the fifties is that to compare someone to Hitler is impolitic "because it minimizes how awful Hitler was"

In reality, it creates a societal prohibition against calling a fascist a fascist using the most egregious example of fascist we have. That's how the game is played. If you don't think all this Bushco crap is at the root about resurgent fascism , you haven't been paying attention.

Nazis influenced our curriculum and societal patterns with complete intent and support of the Republicans, in whose party structure the surviving ones still toil to this day. It's no accident Rush brings Goebbels to mind.

"The CIA, the State Department, and U.S. Army intelligence each created special programs for the specific purpose of bringing selected former Nazis and collaborators to the United States.... The government employed these men and women for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare, for work in American laboratories, and even as special guerrilla troops for deployment inside the USSR in the midst of a nuclear war.... Hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of such recruits were SS veterans; some had been officers of the bloody Sicherheitsdienst (SD), the Nazi party's security service."
-- Christopher Simpson, Blowback, 1988.

[The Straight Story]

44. Are not many politicians in this vein as well?

We fear those in power who do not see things the way we do. The right saw the clintons as nazis - they wanted the government to control more things, to grow in power which meant people had less power, to put the interests of the state above those of the individual.

Agree or not, this is how the right saw/sees the left, as a group that wants the federal government to grow and have more power of your lives and resources - and this to them leads to a dictatorship over time.

So here we are seeing bush the same way, but for some different reasons. I think what it all comes down to is that no one way of thinking is ever best all the time, and in this country we have a melting pot of ideas which clash and collide on many levels. When your ideals are not moving along as fast as someone who holds an opposite view, you see them as a deeper threat - ie, to the point that eventually your ideas will lose any hope of being implemented because group X does not agree with you and they hold all the power.

It all reminds me of the Lord of the Rings, we keep getting new people to bear the ring of power and we watch to make sure they are not using it for evil - but by it's very nature it corrupts over time.

The question is not, is bush like hitler. It is, if he were to maintain the path he has chosen could he end up with as much power as hitler had and if he did, how would he use it? He is not all powerful, we still have the other branches to keep things in check, it is when they fail to keep each other within their power limits we must act in a more forceful manner.

If kerry wins, and dems get the house/senate back and then they voted to keep kerry as president for as long as he wanted it how many on the left would call for him to step down, how many would protest? Some I am sure, same as those on the right if bush did that - but sadly I would guess there are many who would allow this to keep the person they like in power and keep the people whose ideas they do not share out of power.

And this is why, neither side trusts the other one and will always paint them as hitler.

just my humble thoughts on the matter.

[hedda_foil]

46. Most of us would demand any President step down after 2 terms

Party has nothing to do with it.

[The Straight Story]

49. Most, perhaps

My worry is those in both parties which would not...

[Eloriel]

103. Straight Story

You need to do a little more research on the subject. It's incredibly naive of you to think that because "both sides" have tried to paint the other's leader as Hitleresque that both "opinions" are equally valid (or invalid). You REALLY need to take a look at this. See the links I posted upthread.

[bvar22]

45. bush* is NOT Hitler, so stop saying that!

Hitler was a decorated veteran who served in the front lines during WW1.
bush* is a coward who deserted his post during wartime.

Hitler was a writer whose works are still published and debated Internationally!
bush* can barely read!

Hitler's dogs loved him.
Laura has to tie a porkchop around georgie's neck to get the dogs to play with him.

Hitler successfully occupied Czechoslovakia and Poland.
bush* has failed at the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq.

At the VERY MOST, it can only be said that george bush* is a pathetic little Hitler wannabe.

[stavka]

68. Excellent Post....

[Cronus Protagonist]

96. HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!

He's the real deal...

[autorank]

47. Bush is OUR Hitler

I repeat myself from a previous threat "Is Bush our Hitler: Iraq our Poland?" OUR modern Hitler won't kill millions, he'll kill hundreds and thousands. Our modern Hitler won't crash the state entirely, he'll ruin it just enough to deprive a generation or two of a reasonable standard of living, set of opportunities, and life saving science. Our modern Hitler won't dress up in occult like garb and prance around, he'll dress like a silly cowboy and cut trees down. But OUR Hitler will have a devastating effect on the direction and health of the nation by betraying our best ideals in the name of national security and he will, for a time, be strongly supported by many people...who several months after his demise will literally vomit when they realize that they were duped. Bush will not be regarded as our worst president, he will be seen as a disgusting, embarrassing aberration that causes us great national shame. The comparison, relative to our situation, is valid.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

51. The "Bush = Hitler" doesn't take the discussion anywhere.

It doesn't help political discourse.

You guys know that freepers and die-hard Republicans think OUR side (well, your side, since I'm Canadian) is the ones that resemble "Nazi", "Hitler", and so forth? They'll make the same comparison, and offer up their own "proof".

You saw the ruckus made after one person submitted a Bush/Hitler ad to Moveon.org. They're being smeared with that to this very day. And the charge works, since most people don't react warmly to the Bush-Hitler comparisons.

This type of nonsense preaches to the crowd - just like the Zell Miller speech (which was, in my opinion, more Nazi-like than anything George W. Bush has done). And you all saw how successful THAT was.

[Cat Atomic]

52. Both Bush and Hitler are/were deeply authoritarian and anti-democratic.

Bush has pushed hard for centralizing power. Much like Hitler did. Other American leaders have pushed for the same thing, sure. But not as overtly or in such an extreme way.

Both men used fear and fabricated, irrational threats to sell an aggressive foreign policy. Both invaded countries that were not threatening their own.

Both glorified the military and military conquest. They both used the same sort of nationalistic showmanship. Bush has even been noted for dressing up in military garb for these little Riefenstahl-esque events.

There are many substantive similarities between the two men because they are cut from the same cloth. Both are/were deeply authoritarian and anti-democratic.

I think their loyalties differ, though. Hitler's loyalty was to his "Aryan race". Bush and his administration are loyal to US corporate interests, and some kind of aristocratic social ideal.

[stavka]

64. ...but Bush is totally against socialism and Hitler crushed the Church

Bush requires the illusion of democracy, Hitler scorned it -


They have almost nothing in common other than power - in which case, why aren't people comparing Bush to Lenin?

[USA_1]

70. Bush is Against Socialism????

That's bushshit.

Bush's principal ally is Tony Blair who heads the British Fabian Socialist Labour Party.

The BushsHitlers like the Fabianists seek one world government and are willing to destroy life as we know it in order to achieve their demonic goals.




Blair once said "socialists must be in charge {of the world} ... socialism becomes the moral and legal fabric of society ..."

[stavka]

71. Bush isn't rushing to nationalize industry's here like Hitler

[nolabels]

88. When you are a megalomaniac the inner is the outer

They are attempting to build a world, a world where everyone suffers equally. Besides BFEE and the rest of the minions derive their wealth on the international Corporation ledgers, they don't mess around with any domestic small potato crap. Sorry to be so blunt, but just look who sponsors these folks, the GOP with the RNC and all

[Art_from_Ark]

89. Hitler didn't rush to nationalize industries

He just made sure owners of big strategic businesses were snugly tucked in bed with him.

[bobthedrummer]

83. Hitler, like Bush used the church and organized religion while the inner

Party members were heavily into the occult-again, just like the BFEE.
Get it straight and take names, stavka.

[Art_from_Ark]

93. Using organized religion

In fact, Hitler even featured the Potsdam Garrison Church on a coin he issued in 1934 to commemorate the 1st anniversary of his ascendancy to Chancellor, which was made official on March 21, 1933 at that church.

[TriMetFan]

54. I have been thinking "Bush=Hitler" for sometime.

I'm more scared with the division going on about Gay/Lesbians. I keep getting this sick feeling in my stomach that if they win they might try and do alot worse stuff to us then just amend the Constitution. It's just my .02.:scared:

[jackieforthedems]

59. What Do You Folks Make Of These?

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/UNVehicles/#Photos and http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html The vehicles are reportedly coming in through some port at Port Beaumont, Texas, of all places ( since about 1999 ). Not trying to add fuel to the fire, but what does everybody make of these?

[DaveSZ]

60. Ashcroft has already proposed concentration camps

I don't think the comparison is too far-fetched.

[jackieforthedems]

61. Have Heard That About Ashcroft

Yes, I have heard about that, too. This is why alot of us can't figure out why so many people are blind to what's really going on in our country - it's not like anything is really being hidden from us completely - yet we are allowing it all to happen.

[bobthedrummer]

85. Here's a link to Ashcroft's concentration camps for Americans

The Witchfinder has been busy lately.

Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision
by Jonathan Turley
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/TUR409A.html

[SecondsFromDeparture]

62. I totally agree

America is so ethnocentric, we cant even see that we are very comparable to Germany, and that there is a good chance we will end up under a different form of government because of our own "Hitler". Bush is a greedy liar and has ruined our country. He wants all control, as did Hitler. I think that if Democrats do not take over soon, our lives will forever change in a negative way....

[AmerDem]

69. one and the same...here's proof

[jackieforthedems]

73. Yikes!

That gives one the chills.

[shraby]

75. The neocons are students of

Leo Strauss..google Strauss and you'll see what they are all about.

edited for tpyo

[independentpiney]

78. Bush himself is nothing like Hitler

But as others have pointed out, there are strong parallels between the neo-cons and nazis, because they are both aggressive fascist groups. The tactics to consolidate power have changed somewhat because of the different realities of 21st century America vs. 1930s Germany. See my sig line- if we ever get the deserved trials, those words could just as well come out of Roves mouth

[bamacrat]

79. true

Hitler while what he did was awful, he was a very intelligent man. B*sh is an idiot monkey boy, but I'm sure the mustache would fit.
The Iraqi's and the American soldiers to b*sh are just like the Jew's were to Hitler: expendable.

[nolabels]

86. Yes and no

Depends really. Even though there are many similarities the better personality traits are missing is the latest incarnation. Knowing no shame is one bush does have. While Hitler being physically abused as child suffered from(beaten senseless to the point of being knocked into a coma for few days). Hitler did suffer from shame quite badly. The only real thing Bush probably ever suffered from was tongue lashings from Barbara.

Hitler found peace on killing on the battlefield while Bush was too afraid to show up for battle or even duty. The one point I see great simularity in is of making religion a seamless part of the government and to murder others to get to that point. This is where they don't differ an inch. Once a Fascist, always Fascist.

Some Third Reich Nazi should step up and say "I knew Hitler and George Bush your no Hitler". The mistake you can make with Bush is underestimating the depravity of the man, after that it's a mixed bag.

Having the Jester in a position of power with a cultist belief is weird one. When you're (we) are at the unenviable position or receiving the ghoulish tricks laid out it makes it hard to understand what is happening.

Try this thread out

Bush pauses to comfort teen (Warning...disturbing image)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=534908

[jpyron]

80. Made a comparrison today too

Was speaking with a friend who doesn't want to vote for Bush but doesn't like Kerry either. I explained it to her like this.

If Bush gets re-elected, thats about like when Hitler marched troops into the Rhineland and the world did nothing. If after what Dubyah has done and pulled this term and his ass gets re-elected. There's no telling what he's bound to do in the next run around.

[Dzimbowicz]

97. In the movie Kelly's Heros...

At the end of the movie Kelly and the Americans are stopped at the bank where the gold is by a lone German tank. Oddball states: "That guy's gotta be a full-blown, fanatic Nazi freak!" Moving on...
Crapgame and Big Joe are talking...
Crapgame: How's it going at the bank?
Big Joe: It aint.
Crapgrame: Well offer him a deal.
Big Joe: What kind of deal?
Crapgrame: You know, a deal deal. Maybe the guy's a republican.

[Catfight]

98. More like "The Greatest American Hero," a comedy in action. n/t

[milkyway]

100. Does anyone doubt bush could eventually kill 6 million Muslims?

When people think of Hitler, they think of someone who killed 6 million Jews so "Bush is like Hitler" gets dismissed immediately. But there are a lot of comparisons you could make between the present bush and Hitler in the early 30's, as others have done in this thread. That early Hitler evolved to eventually kill 6 million Jews. It is definitely within the realm of possibility that the current "war on terror" could lead to the nuking of Arab cities. This would need to be preceded by attacks here in the U.S. to justify our mass slaughter and conquest of the Middle East. We've already had the first one under bush with 9/11. And don't forget what Tommy Franks said in Cigar Aficionado: in the event of a large terrorist attack in the U.S. the Constitution will be discarded and we will quickly move to a much more militarized society.

Can you imagine Hitler with nuclear weapons and no other nation strong enough to oppose him? In the words of Joe Wilson, "Be afraid, be very afraid."

[daddybear]

101. You got MY vote on that

Bush is Nazi-like in all his dealings, and it probably goes back to his families involvement with the German underground etc. years ago. How we ever allowed he and his cronies to buy the electorate is beyond me, but I PRAY it is not done this time. IF he wins, it will be something crooked going on again for sure. SURELY, real Americans will not let it happen again and vote Bush OUT of that stolen oval office. If not, we can continue to count the bodies as they arrive home in the caskets that Bush seems to enjoy seeing.