How can Kerry RAISE SPENDING and RAISE TAXES?

[dumpster_baby]

They is a recent thread with the title of "How will Kerry cut spending?". Well, call me paranoid, but I call that thread an instance of some rightwinger trying to frame the debate. They have been doing that for decades. Don't let them get away with it!

Frame the debate as "How can Kerry Raise Taxes on the wealthy so that we can raise social spending on healthcare?"

Now, how about some suggestions as to how Kerry can sell a big tax increase on the upper income group? So that all working class Americans can have healthcare!

[rogerashton]

1. Green taxes

Tax polluters, not employees. This is a tax that does two jobs at the same time.

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[Cronus Protagonist]

3. Or, in short, TAX THE RICH

I think Robin Hood had it right.

"So I don't worry about, and people shouldn't
worry about a draft. . . I think we're in good
shape, I really do. And, if not, we'll -- I'll address
the nation. But I don't see any need to right now."
- G. W. Bush (Source: The Whitehouse)

[Blue Wally]

7. Since we have defined the rich..........

Here in DU, the rich are defined as only those persons making over $225,000 a year. If we raise their marginal tax rate from 35% to, say, 40%, how many dollars will that bring in each year??

Is the purpose of taxes to raise money to fund the government or is it to punish the rich??

[RivetJoint]

8. That is NOT rich!

where did that figure come from?

[Blue Wally]

10. Another thread on here.

It was bruited about on another thread as the level where the top rate should be imposed. Over $225K is the top 0.9% of the taxpayers. If you only want to go after folks making $1M a year or more, that is a really small tax base.

[dumpster_baby]

14. $225K IS rich

JMHO....

[RivetJoint]

15. It's not

JMIO

[UdoKier]

4. "Raising Spending on Healthcare" - failure of rhetoric.

It should be repeatedly referred to as a "REDUCTION OF COST".

Single-payer systems, in EVERY country where they are used, have an overall cost only a FRACTION of what we pay here. I'd be happy to pay a hundred dollar monthly "tax" to the gov't, if it saved me $200 in health care premiums.

I know Kerry's plan is not single-payer, but I should hope that's the eventual goal...

[dumpster_baby]

5. good point--we need to start a propaganda offensive

to rehabilitate taxation.

[Pachamama]

6. "How can Bush Raise Spending and Cut Taxes?"

That should be the real question Americans should be asking themselves...

:kick:

[UdoKier]

11. Why?

The top rate is at an historic low:

http://liberalindex.org/top-rates-graph.php

If anything, it should be raised AT LEAST to where it was under Clinton, and more regressive taxes should be loweered somewhat to relieve the burden on working people.

I hate the term "tax cut" because it seems to ALWAYS be referring to a cut for the super-rich.

[UdoKier]

13. Another look at the plummeting tax burden on the rich...

and look where household income has gone...



And look how the rich fare when you figure in ALL taxes.

Talk about a flat tax? We're practically already there!

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[Still_Notafraid]

12. You don't even want the real taxes

The real tax is the cost of living,Imagine having to turn over our bureaus to private corporations because we don't have enough tax revenue coming in to support them which is the plan of most republican think tanks.

Do you want to privatize your public schools,water systems,highways,social security,and countless other important government programs relying on tax revenue to operate. I don't because it raises the cost of living corporations who are concerned with profit are not going to practice price control.Don't give the needs of the many in the hands of the unethical few.

As far as the how much money is going to come in by reversing the tax cuts on the top 6% its going to be around 850 billion according to Kerry in one of his speeches,which is about right considering Bush's tax cut was 1.6 trillion.I don't mind paying the taxes i paid under Clinton I love America and will do whats best for her if fair tax rate is good for America its good for me.