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rsmith6621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:36 PM Original message |
Why Did Wes Clark |
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shoelace414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. the Republicans labeled him a Republican |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
94. Many DUers did also |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:23 AM Response to Reply #94 |
106. As did Dr. Dean. |
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Dean can't run if he's selected to head the DNC |
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shoelace414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 08:20 AM Response to Reply #94 |
123. they were regurgitating the Talking Point point from the RNC |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. he started too late in the process |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. That was probably it |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
69. We'll never know what could have happenned... |
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Jersey Devil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Agree - the late start in the front loaded process was it |
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HuskerDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
101. I think that's the ENTIRE reason right there - late start |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. Clark also got a late start, late funding. |
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VOX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
71. Agreed. Got into the race too late. By the time time he did... |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. He's not a politician - |
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Claire Beth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
129. I agree.... |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
6. What really hurts |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I don't know how |
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Sweet Freedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. He never received any media coverage either |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Don't you remember the lead up to his announcement? |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. The Media Ignored Him In Jan/Early Feb When It Counted |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Clark was chasing down Dean in late Dec and early Jan. He was the focus |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Clark Can't, But I Can |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Here's a good study of media coverage: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
8. My feeling about this is: |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
52. And who won? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I think there's enough evidence that the more people thought about |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. And who thought the war wasn't the issue that would most affect people? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. According to the study in that link, more people cared about jobs... |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. I'm not sure how much you followed Clark's campaign. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 08:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. During the primaries people would often say in defense of their candidates |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. If Clark were only a General, he would be limited. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:30 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Many Democrats have run for office and have downplayed their military... |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. I think he will make the determination based on the situation. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. He was more sincere |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Which democratic candidates do you think told lies? |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Do you want me to name names? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Why don't you name names AND lies, and we'll discuss. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. John Kerry said he would |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Just as a I thought. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. It is not an insult |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I think that Edwards's experience of life in America makes him more... |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Look, I don't want to keep arguing. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I didn't bring Edwards into this. You did with your evidence of other |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Long before the votes were cast Clark testified against |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Whatever. |
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Sleepless In NY (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Then why didn't Americans buy Edwards? |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
91. How many times did Edwards visit Southern states? |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
114. A man changes from 1992 to 2003 |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
73. Yes, I expressly remember |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 08:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. That's not a lie. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. You and I just have different definitions... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 10:52 AM Response to Reply #90 |
124. When you find the definition of "highly qualified in FP and NS" |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. It's obvious that in the context of this debate |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. In other words, Yes. Please name names. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
15. The media dissed him. Dean, Kerry and Lieberman all ridiculed him. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. When did Kerry ridicule Clark? I thought they got along well, except when |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I think it was Bob Dole who did that |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Kerry criticized Clark for being a "freshly minted Democrat." and also.. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. That's not exactly "ridicule" and were certainly things that would have |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
102. Your definition of ridicule is ridiculous. No offense. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:03 AM Response to Reply #102 |
111. I'm not offended in the least. |
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HoosierClarkie (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I remember that. n/t |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
75. I could post a picture of one of Kerry's |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. How do you know the walking point was something Kerry's campaign |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. I can't even tell what you're talking about |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. OK. I'll try to make it simpler: |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. You excel in the art of inference AP. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
112. "Talking Point" is something walkers are given on campaigns and I thought |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #112 |
125. I don't know what in my post you would find confusing |
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Sleepless In NY (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. You're right, all the candidates kept bringing up Clark's "switch" |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. Actually, there never was any "switch" |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
18. He had no democratic record |
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Sleepless In NY (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. if Lincoln Chaffee switched tomorrow would democrats complain? |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
81. That is a very inaccurate statement you're making. |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
23. The media ignored him. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. They ignored Kerry and Edwards and they came in first and second. |
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HoosierClarkie (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. Some Democrats |
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samtob (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
32. He is just too |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. He is gorgeous... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. I think it was mostly a matter of logistics |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. I was a Clarkie until he dropped out. I think what hurt him |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I don't think he needs to run for Senate or Governor |
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teevee99 (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. i hope he runs again in 08 |
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Nordic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
42. you didn't hear? He was a "perfumed prince" who "almost started WWIII" |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
43. 2 words: man titties! (Hawai) |
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MinnesotaMike31 (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Would have loved to see Bush & Clark in a debate on Iraq! |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
68. Words would have been useless: a killer look would have done it |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
51. I really never figured out how Kerry came on top. |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
53. dug back into the archives |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
54. and then after Clark dropped out I wrote... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #54 |
108. Shit, M Berst, I didn't need to read that right now. Thanks a lot. |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:10 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. oh no |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. Because he decided to traipse into politics without a political background |
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Sleepless In NY (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger! LOL! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I guess Arnold was lucky that he was popular enough to pull it off |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Clarks experience was very relevant to doing the job |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. It wasn't relevant to getting elected. Which is very relevant to the job |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. too bad grassroots support don't mean shit, huh. -eom |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Don't you remember? He was DRAFTED!!!!!!! |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:59 AM Response to Reply #62 |
110. THANK YOU for pointing that out |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. It's been pointed out, but you may have missed it. |
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zacho (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
64. A man of character |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
67. I honestly think that it had most to do |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I second that. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. "If he does run again, I will fight for him like a pitbull on steroids." |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
72. He was Rove's worst nightmare - so they laid into him with all barrels |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
74. I supported Wes, but soon realized that he's not an experienced |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
93. He's not inexperienced now |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
127. True enough. But Kerry had over 20 years of political experience... |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
77. Late entry into the game, skipped Iowa, BAD campaign organization. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #77 |
104. That's basically it |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 04:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
120. BAD campaign organization |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
84. I think the wing of the party that is anti-military anything comes out |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Actually the Dems called him a republican |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I was trying to be "polite"; Rangle was high profile and very Pro-Clark |
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Placebo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
97. Because he is a giant BORE... |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:38 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. " Because he is a giant BORE..." BULL |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I disagree |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-16-04 11:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Sorry, dupe |
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exJW (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Weird. The man has lived a fascinating life and made history. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 03:31 AM Response to Reply #97 |
118. Nah...I dont like him but he was far from boring |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 11:49 AM Response to Reply #97 |
126. That was very constructive and helpful. |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
135. B I N G O |
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NurseLefty (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
103. I contributed to the Draft Clark Movement... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
105. One thing that most people tend to forget about Clark... |
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elperromagico (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
115. In pure political terms, he dropped out of Iowa. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 03:02 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Yes indeedy |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
116. He entered late |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
119. Wes Clark is a statesman |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 04:59 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Frenchie, mon amie, you're right on the mark with this synopsis |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. Wes Clark is the finest man to run for the Presidency in my lifetime... |
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mcscajun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-18-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. I could Not have said it any better... |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
122. Clark's been a great asset not imho a great candidate |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
131. Had any of the other candidates entered as late as Clark did |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Great post, you make when want to place money on it. :) |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
132. The hearts he captured, he still has - no mean feat |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-18-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. It is already showing, robbed, IMO. n/t |
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bhunt70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-17-04 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
133. I agree, everything he said hit it for me. |
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