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bobweaver Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:50 PM
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All things are temporary, even Mt. Everest. This is just a momentary blip.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:51 PM
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1. extinction isn't temporary
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Big Kahuna Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:57 PM
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3. Yes it is..
something better and stronger always comes along.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 06:52 PM
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2. A hundred billion years from now, no one will remember anyway! n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:12 PM
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7. In 100BY, there won't be anything left...anywhere.
The universe will either have reached maximum entropy and be dead & cold, or (if there's enough undiscovered 'dark matter') it'll have collapsed back into a singularity, waiting for a possible following 'big bang'....

Happy thoughts...
;-)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:21 PM
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9. As far as we know now, yes. But...
Edited on Wed Jan-19-05 07:24 PM by Dr_eldritch
I for one believe that the universe may be just a little older than we think. I'm not a physicist, but the whole matter of time being part of the function of the cosmological constant leads me to the idea that the 'expansion' of the universe takes place as much in Time as it does 'space'. (obviously I'm no physicist - but feel free to enlighten me.)

I also hold out hope that the notion of ulterior probabilistic universes do exist and we will be able to 'do' something with that.

We'll see...
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:15 PM
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8. Not if it's us doing the remembering... nt
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:31 PM
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10. If you could remember, you're either be in heaven or hell. n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:54 PM
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11. Read this, then tell me about heaven or hell;
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 08:30 PM
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12. No need to read anything. One either believes or doesn't believe,
that's faith and nothing to date has replaced faith with scientific proof.
:shrug:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 02:50 PM
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13. But I have faith too.
I had to work for it.

I would not simply and blindly accept what was handed to me.

I know it's easier to not learn, not question, and not ask.

My faith is absolute BECAUSE I questioned it, because I sought to answer those questions.

Now I can read anything and never lose faith.

Knowledge makes faith stronger, ignorance makes Jerry Falwell richer.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:02 PM
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4. But the future will be an accumulation of all..
that went before it..just as the present is a building of all occurred before this time and this moment..so, in a sense..if the future turns out well...then we can be thankful for now..and of all that is happening.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:04 PM
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5. Which proves out that linear time is really an illusion....
Indeed, if we can say for certainty that our time will end, then what is the point?

If we know for a fact that another million years will go by, and may as well have already as far as time is concerned, then why should we be so concerned about 'now'?

My theory is that IF (big if) humanity doesn't commit suicide like a reckless, depressed, and heavily conflicted teenager, then we will attain divinity sometime in our racial adult life.

Now is only important if we one day want to REALIZE divinity and find that indeed time, space, and consciousness are merely reflections of our divine self.

Hmmm.... but that would mean we wouldn't be here unless we have 'already' achieved such divinity in the future....

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 07:07 PM
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6. Alright, Y'all seem like bright people....
Whaddya think of this Philosophy?
(sorry it's a bit long...)


The Real War.


The Human Race is in jeopardy. Currently, a vast war is raging unseen below the surface of our consciousness.

We believe we are engaged in conflicts for many different reasons and under the impetus of many ideals. For the most part, this is true.
We are at war in the Middle East for a number of reasons depending upon whom you ask. We are at war here at home over issues of freedom, happiness, and values.
We are at war with economic forces that will spell our demise as a nation unless we all become economic warriors with the understanding that triage may become a very real necessity.

But there is a greater war, one from which all of these symptoms arise. It is the War for the salvation or obliteration of the human race.

I have come to understand, through study of human nature and human consciousness, just what fate humanity has mapped out for itself. I have come to describe my theory as “The Human Omega”.
No one can argue that humans are not an ambitious species. In fact, we know very well that humanity will ALWAYS reach for what it perceives to be within it’s grasp. It is because of this that we have come so far as a species.
We have the capacity to become so much more than we are, and that is precisely what we have done for millennia. We will reach forward to grasp new concepts, new ideas, and new technologies we are not now even capable of imagining. We will take hold of our own evolution. Whether it takes one hundred years, one thousand, one million… it does not matter; it WILL happen.
I have no doubt that left to explore and flourish humanity will attain transcendence tantamount to true divinity. We will become our own God, made in our image and vice-versa.
Our descendants will become masters of time, space, and consciousness.

All we need do is survive.

One of the greatest hallmarks of the human race is the retention of knowledge. As we acquire the technology to retain information we utilize it – immediately.

Perhaps you are reading this on a website – imagine the amount of information that site backs up and retains. There may be a Library of Congress’ worth of posts, threads and information held in the server memory and backed up for permanent storage.
Now… think of how much information was stored only thirty years ago - A fraction of a fraction of what we store today. How will we preserve everything we want to?

Our divine descendants may well deal with that too, but their methods know no boundaries we can imagine. As masters of time, space, consciousness, and perhaps a number of other media we cannot imagine, why not save EVERYTHING?

The trend toward this human destiny is utterly inexorable. Having studied how the human race reaches in all directions around the globe and ever further into the farthest reaches of space, into the future and farther into the past to understand the origin of life on earth. As we delve ever deeper into ourselves, into our intricate intellectual makeup, into our genetic composition, there can be no question we will one day achieve divinity.

Should there exist even a shred of human curiosity in our descendants, (Considering curiosity drove them, I imagine more than a shred will persevere.) they will most likely preserve every consciousness that has ever existed.
Everything will be preserved, perhaps they will have no need for machines, or their machines are woven into the very fabric of the universe; but every event, every dream, every thought, every blade of grass ever to exist, everything from the very beginning of time until the end will be forever preserved in living memory.

If this seems far-fetched to you, try to explain an automobile to a Neanderthal.
I don’t understand how these things would work any more than he would understand what makes a Porsche run… but he can understand what it does. Function is not hard to grasp.

So when a consciousness passes from life, that consciousness will find absolute access to every bit of knowledge, every event, and every perspective in the universe.
When you die, you will come to know everything, and to be anything.
This is the gift our children can give us, our descendants, with the impetus to preserve gifted to them by our common nature, will preserve all ever was and will be.
The vast loop of the continuum will be closed, linear time will become meaningless, and we BECOME divine… We achieve the Human Omega.
For all intents and purposes – this may already be the case given that time is not linear.
We cannot know what philosophy our descendants will operate on, we can only know that we will not know or understand it until we rejoin the Omega Consciousness. We can pretend all we want to be right or moral, but there will certainly be more to the truth than second-guessing the will of God.

This brings us to the Great Fear.

There is no question that we are in pain. We witness the atrocities we visit upon each other, the tortures, the injustices... so much pain.
It is said that those who do evil do so because they are in pain.
One cannot imagine a pain they have not felt, but, in some fashion or another, they experience the pain they have caused.
This then becomes a cycle; The Tormentor is in pain because of the pain he has caused. He does not realize that his pain is self-loathing; he cannot understand his masochism – for he is immediately aware of his victim’s agony. He seeks to cause pain to punish himself. The Tormentor turns his pain back into anger that seeks to inflict pain once again.
This pain is unfathomable, but it does not merely reside in the individual, it pervades the human super-, sub-, and unconscious. It is passed around from person to person, culture to culture, generation to generation.
Like a virus, this pain begets itself perpetually; it will not perish until we rise above it.

Just like Jesus said.

But ‘it’ does not want that.
Without getting into Human Superconscious Theory, this is best explained by saying that this vast human suffering has taken on a life of it’s own. Somewhere in the interface between this vast suffering and human empathy, there has evolved a disturbing dissonance, which has yielded a self-sustaining entity.
Pain begets not only pain, but the methods of its continuation as well.

There is an operative effect on the human psyche because of this pain. There is fear.
This fear is so deeply embedded in our racial subconscious that it too has a ‘life of it’s own’.
The fear is of spending eternity with the pain we have caused.

We know that there are one of two ultimate outcomes for the human race.

One is the transcendence of humanity by constant growth and enlightenment.

The other is absolute Oblivion

The pain we are in are the cumulative screams of millions upon millions tortured alive, the tears of a child who didn’t want to die hungry the day the death squad came, the mother putting a plastic shopping bag over the head of her baby to futilely try to save it from the poison gas as she succumbs to a rasping death.
There is a great awareness of this horrific torment, both in the victims, and in the tormentors.

This is a pain so great it begs for Oblivion. To forget forever, to have never been is it’s only desire.

This pain has been at war with our destiny for thousands of years.

Should the Human Race survive, this pain will be preserved forever in the consciousness of The Human Omega.
Should the Human Race be extinguished, there will be no Human Omega, and we will all descend into the soft, eternal nothingness of oblivion.

This vicious agony has not sat still and waited for us to extinguish ourselves, nay – it has spent countless centuries engineering our demise.
Through the human subconscious it has worked to trigger our own undoing, and these are the times it has been brought to bear.

Being so imaginative, we have tried to devise methods to explain the world around us with little or no empirical rational.
Religion was one of those methods.
When we developed empathy as a race, we had to find a way to justify taking the life of a screaming animal for our own sustenance. We developed more humane means of doing so and also ‘told ourselves’ that a higher power said it was ok to do so.

Our survival was that ‘higher power’; we called it ‘God’.

But we took religion, which has roots in Human Superconscious understanding, too far.
We let the pain in.
Pain and Religion don’t mix.

We created the ‘Deadly Meme’ of our own destruction.
There can be no doubt that the anger of ‘fire and brimstone’ and the ‘Wrath of God’ was not written out of enlightenment, but rather out of the realization that there was so much wrong… so much pain. These writings had such beauty and wisdom, they were accepted as carte blanche and absolute truth, and therein lay the danger.

For over a thousand years, huge portions of the human race have invested their faith in stories that tell them they will be favored when all else perish in fire.
They read that if they did ‘this’ and believed ‘that’, they would be given such rewards they cannot imagine. And so the faithful have divested themselves of human conscience, the precursor of faith, to acquire those rewards.
Such a powerful impetus as faith extends far beyond and much deeper than the empirical actions of the faithful, however.

This notion of the ‘end of the world’ has been invested in by so many, over such a period of time, and with such fervor – it may be impossible to stop it.

Because of a number of books written from the perspective of this pain, we may not survive as a race.

This belief in the end of the world has fueled the actions of so many of our leaders. They are so certain Armageddon is upon us that they have no intention of preserving our resources or our restraint. They have been fooled into believing that their actions are divine and that the destruction of the Human Race has no impact on achieving divinity.

The greatest deceiver has deceived them. The very thing they believe they are waging war against has fooled them.

They will go to any lengths to carry out its will by lashing out at the agony and creating more. This cycle will wind itself into a literal firestorm of extinguishing rage.

We must not allow these things to occur, we must not allow our leaders to take us into a holy war in this age of mass destructive capability.

For then surely we will embrace oblivion.




-Dr. Garth Eldritch
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Comicstripper Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 06:48 PM
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14. What he said n/t
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