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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:30 AM
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Son Shoots Dad After Mistaking Parents' Sex For Abuse
Son Shoots Dad After Mistaking Parents' Sex For Abuse
Boy, 16, Charged With Assault With Deadly Weapon

UPDATED: 10:18 am EST February 14, 2005

HOUSTON -- A 16-year-old boy was charged with shooting his father in their Harris County, Texas, home Friday.

The shooting was originally reported as a case of domestic abuse, but deputies said the boy apparently witnessed a sexual act between his parents and thought the father was abusing the mother.

Sheriff's deputies charged the boy with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a first-degree felony.

Detectives said the mother and father were engaged in consensual sex when the shooting occurred at about 3:30 a.m. inside the family's home. Investigators said the couple's 11-year-old son woke up to his mother making loud noises.
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http://www.nbc5.com/news/4193902/detail.html
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Dying Eagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:32 AM
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1. Only in Texas
There 16 year old was so sheltered that he had no idea what sex was? I have ALOT of questons about this story.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:46 PM
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22. In Texas you're required to shoot your parents if you catch 'em having sex
Consensual, or otherwise.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 03:57 PM
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34. That's part of their good "christian" upbringing
praise the lord!
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egoprofit Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:12 PM
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44. I live in Houston.. i think this kid is retarded because
i've never heard of this shit before. also, lighten' up because not all texans are as stupid as *.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 06:36 PM
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51. No, we just call Texans who are stupid....
republicans
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:15 AM
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53. Maybe the kid was named...
...Oedipus?

:evilgrin:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:32 AM
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2. oh dear, Is this for real?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:33 AM
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3. I wonder if we are talking "non-vanilla" sex here?
I could understand how an S&M/bondage scene could be misinterpreted.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:36 AM
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Another good reason for Sex Ed
"No, Johnny, he's not hurting her, that's the way babies are made...."
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:36 AM
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4. officials said there have been previous reports of abuse in the family
yep it's bullshit. Daddy was kicking mom's ass again and the kid had enough. Mom is trying to protect the kid and their honor.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:26 AM
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9. But the question is
Why aren't the police telling the truth about what happened? Do they not think marital rape exists? Or are they trying to hide something -- perhaps they ignored some previous calls from the vic?
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:51 AM
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13. The father "was released late Friday morning."
I'm not sure the police have anything to do with it. Sounds to me like the family has changed it's story because the father lived and there will be hell to pay if they don't.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:37 AM
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5. The 11 yo FORCIBLY entered the room, then went for the 16 yo?
Either daddy was completely into what he was doing at that moment or the family is doing some covering up - and for the kids to automatically think abuse, plus the previous phone calls to the cops - sounds like maybe the story isn't all that's being reported.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:40 AM
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6. Something stinks here
I think that man was abusing his wife and they are trying to cover their tracks.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:39 PM
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40. Opinions are like assholes.
you know the rest.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 10:56 AM
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7. Guns, guns, we need more guns! Everybody should have a gun
because look how it keeps the crime rate down when everybody has a gun!

Guns for one, guns for all!

Some of the posters in the mall-shooting thread were saying exactly that, and look how right they are.

PS: Pretty much everybody in Iraq has an AK-47. And see how little crime they have there.

Guns, guns, gotta get me a gun! No, I gotta get me four of them so my kids can have them too!

Redstone
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:01 AM
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8. If the father would have had a gun under his pillow like conservatives
He could have killed his two sons and continued his "love-making" and the right-wing would be saying how great it was for him to have had his gun so close and been able to protect himself.
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yinkaafrica Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:07 PM
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16. He could have shot the wife's cat while he was at it!
That damn cat was always sneaking 'round during his love makin'!!!
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:30 AM
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10. Damn! I just lost a bet with myself!
I saw the thread title under LBN in the Lobby without the poster's name. I immediately said, "That's a matcom thread." So, who do I pay?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:39 AM
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12. I would be honored to take your money.
:P :P :P
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:38 AM
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11. For Christ sake! This is pretty dumb, eh?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:55 AM
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14. So what parents DON'T STOP when their kids enter the room?
The 11 year old walks in THEN goes and gets the 16 year old..and the mom is still screaming? This sounds like pure crap.
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yinkaafrica Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:14 PM
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18. He was just giving her a good Satday night beating up
Like he had to do so many times before.
That is all. Next time, when he wants three yams for dinner
he won't come home to find two yams and a potato looking up at 'em!
"When I come home I want to ENJOY my meal!"


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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:16 PM
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20. yup, seems like the mom is not telling the truth
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:34 PM
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39. What parents get that vocal with their sex when the kids are home?
Seems to me, if you want totally uninhibited sex, you should send the kids to Grandma's for the night...
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:56 AM
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15. This is what happens when
you only teach abstinence in schools instead of normal human sexuality.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:09 PM
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17. happy valentine's day, everybody!
only 2 people know what really happened.
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yinkaafrica Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:17 PM
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21. To hear the true story show up at The Hee Haw Tap, 8 PM
Buy them a shot and a beer and let them tell you in person.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 06:08 PM
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47. LOL!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:15 PM
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19. I'm sorry please forgive me
But this makes me laugh.:)
If someone happened to be tied in 4-pt restraints it would be very difficult to just immediately stop what you are doing and pretend nothing was happening,lol.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:58 PM
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24. That sounds like you have personal knowledge of that.
:P


This is hilarious though. I've caught my parents having sex before and while the scene made me want to kill myself I had no urge to shoot daddy.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:33 PM
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25. LOL--I'll never tell
But, I walked in on my grandparents. They were in their 70's.
My Grammy tried to talk to me about it and I had to tell her
"Nooooooooooooooooo, nooooooooooo, noooooooooooooo...I can't hear this".
LOL.
In all seriousness though...I was in an abusive relationship once and I can tell you all from experience that even abused spouses can have intense, pleasurable sex. It's not always bad and IMHO that's one of the things that can keep you in an abusive situation, because many times our minds can mistake sex for love.
It's hard not to judge these people because of past history, but personally I would rather it say in the papers that I was beaten than to say that I was having kinky, loud sex--especially in the Bible belt. After all--my Mom reads the paper,lol.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:43 PM
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26. Well...
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 01:44 PM by geomon666
Their neighbors should already know since the father was arrested for abuse. Tell you what though, the water cooler chats just got a whole hell of a lot more interesting.

Oh by the way, I found this gem this morning.

3 Indiana men charged in death of pal trying out "bulletproof" vest

Daniel Wright was going to join the military, and he wanted some experience.

So the 20-year-old went to a field in Hobart, donned what he thought was a bulletproof vest and turned to his friends with instructions.

"Shoot me. I'm ready," Wright said.
....and hilarity ensues. Darwin was a damn genius.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:51 PM
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29. Good God Almighty
and the hits just keep on rolling........:dunce:
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:52 PM
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23. no doubt the children have witnessed abuse of mother
this is really simple simple logic.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:47 PM
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27. "they have not determined whether the mother was screaming for help"
I don't think the son should be charged if he had reason to expect his father to be abusing his mother.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:49 PM
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28. He likely will be anyway.
Most underage boys in custody for murder were convicted of killing their mother's abuser.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:16 PM
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30. I suppose that is true
They could also claim a "self-defense" type of defense for defending someone else.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:19 PM
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31. Well, they should be able too.
Unfortunately, there's no "Battered Wife- By Proxy Syndrome" that's recognized by the courts.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:32 PM
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33. I have a hot line
to a prosecutor and he said that that is an acceptable defense - defending someone else.

Of course, first the defendant might to prove they had reason to believe the person needed defending - and in this case it wouldn't help if the mother wanted to shield her husband.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:25 PM
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32. Maybe they need better sex education than "don't"
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mefoolonhill Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 03:58 PM
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35. shooting
Maybe the kid figured that his parents' sex life needed a shot in the arm...
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:07 PM
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36. If this wasn't so sad it would be funny. eom
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slater71 Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:20 PM
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37. Got to be a republican family
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:31 PM
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38. If they're telling the truth, this kid's in for a lifetime of therapy.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:59 PM
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42. Well, considering
That Dad has had several arrests for beating up Mom, I'd guess this kid's gonna be in therapy for a while different set of reasons.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 04:55 PM
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41. That is so messed up
First, if you're so loud during sex that you wake the whole house, maybe you should learn to be a little quieter while the kids are at home.

Second, lock the door.

Third, lock the door!

Fourth, if locking the door doesn't work and the kids come in -- stop what you're doing. If you're so carried away that you don't know when the kids come in until one of them shoots you, well, that's just messed up, and I don't know what to say.

Addendum: if the parents are lying and the husband was really abusing the wife and they lied and said it was sex, that is totally messed up.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:07 PM
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43. What the hell is going on out in looney land?
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:20 PM
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45. See what teaching abstinence does
Makes everyone think that sex is some sort abuse.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:47 PM
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46. When I read this thread...
... it occurs to me that there are a lot of folks here who must have a rather pedestrian sex life.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 06:13 PM
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48. Yes, it would be easy to see
how some whips & chains, handcuffs, or other kinkitude could have given the kid the wrong impression.

If so, the parents must've done a good job of hiding it up till now.

All joking aside, though, it's a damn sad state of affairs that 1) the kid had a handgun so readily available and 2) was so quick to use it.

But I guess that's Texas (and some other parts of America) for you..shoot first, ask what the trapeze is for later.

Redstone
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 06:18 PM
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49. Lady on top of the situation?
Boy I bet dad will think twice about using Family Business techniques at home.

We need a blow by blow accounting!
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 06:35 PM
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50. Obvious mental illness going on with this story ---nt---
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:07 PM
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52. Kick
:kick:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 02:39 AM
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54. I agree with those that said, the family is lying, it was abuse
That's typical for the family members to lie and cover it up. I don't believe a 16 yo would make this mistake. The 11 yo thought it was abuse too, but mom and dad got a hold of them and told them to keep that a secret or something really bad would happen.

Those kids knew what was happening, their mother was being raped.

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