Let us face it. While we are all turned on big time to Gannon their

[KlatooBNikto]

agenda in Iraq is advancing with Ahmad Chalabi all but certain to ascend to the throne as the newly anointed Emperor of Iraq doing the bidding of his masters in Washington, D.C and Tel Aviv.In this, Bush is receiving the cooperation and the blessings of so called Democrats including Kerry, Hillary Clinton and many others.He is certain to get the 80 odd billions he has asked for while the Democrats will keel over on Social Security and let the Trojan Horse private investment accounts in.

[bowens43]

1. So your contention is that if we ignored Gannon

this would not have occurred? That's silly.

[KlatooBNikto]

2. Wrong. I am saying that we should keep our focus on important issues.

Gannon may be a juicy scandal but precisely because it is juicy, we should beware of the motives of the Republicans who are throwing it at us.

The ease with which they were able to coopt leading Democrats will ultimately do in our party better than any digging up on Gannon will do for us.

[kohodog]

27. THE MEDIA is an IMPORTANT issue.

(Sorry for the caps) All the other issues are being spun for the neocons by MSM. Gannon, Williams et all are the beginning of exposing the administration's propaganda efforts. If we can regain any semblance of balance in the Media we have a chance of effecting the other crucial issues.

The Mainstream media has been co-opted and until we take it back all the other fights are that much more difficult.

[tuvor]

3. "Gannon" is still not big news on the MSM. We have to keep screaming.

If we shut up about it, it's guaranteed to go away like all the rest of the scandals, because the news organizations are not doing their damn job.

[KlatooBNikto]

6. Our society appears to have lost its capacity for outrage over real issues

While Gannon may get us some brownie points, I doubt it is going to make a dent in the support Bush has with his true believers. Already Gannon has started talking about being attacked for his Christian beliefs and his born again credentials. We are walking into a trap picking up scraps that Rove is throwing at us.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton and Kerry are keeling over on Iraq.Kerry is supporting the added request for another $80 billions for the war; Ahmad Chalabi is on tap as the next stooge in Baghdad and the Social Security system is on life support.

[emulatorloo]

7. "Gannon" is an issue - Whitehouse Propaganda Machine

It is not the sex, it is the manipulation of the news by the whitehouse.

Now the whitehouse is in cover-up mode.

[tuvor]

9. This is very much a "real" issue.

Just because it's no worse than much of what they've gotten away with so far doesn't make it less significant.

This is the dissemination of propaganda in the guise of real news from someone who isn't a bona fide reporter, and does his work under an assumed name. Aside from the illegal activities angle, that's all we know right now. It's foolish to believe that's all there is to it.

[julialnyc]

4. but Gannon is much more than his story

He is the propaganda proof. This could be huge, and not just because it is embarrassing, but because they could be exposed for force feeding us the news they want us to hear. This could lead to journalists doing their job so that we do know what is going on in Iraq, Social Security, ect...

Armstrong and the others who were payed barely turned a head. The fact that this is provocative is great, because it grabs attention, but it is about so much more than just Gannon's story.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. and he's c onnected to the Plame affair

and outing a CIA agent is supposed to be a crime. Gannon has stated that he saw the Plame memo but refuses to reveal his sources. Since Bushco is prosecuting legitimate journalists for not revealing sources, whether or not they prosecute Gannon will be quite telling.

[tx_dem41]

8. Can you point to some recent news that leads credence to your

assertion that Chalabi is "all but certain" to ascend the throne? I have read nothing in the Arab press, or ME expert blogs that lead me to believe he has the necessary number of votes. I'm almost certain that it will be Jafaari.

[KlatooBNikto]

10. Yesterday, the Independent ( London) had a very interesting article

on Ahmad Chalabi's prospects ( sorry, I do not have a link).It used the same language ( all but certain) about his becoming the PM. It stands to reason because that was the plan of the PNAC cabal from day one,i.e to get a stooge in power in Baghdad. You may be well advised to know that Chalabi was a student at the University of Chicago moving in the same circles as Wolfowitz.In fact, he is known to have roomed in Wolfie's home as a graduate student.Wolfie certainly takes good care of his students.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

23. Hope he has a taste for lead, cuz that's what he'll get after what he

has pulled in Iraq and elsewhere.

[KlatooBNikto]

26. I think in Iraq Bush has bought off Ayatollah Ali Shistani and Moqtada Al

Sadr, two important Shiite leaders.If they had formed an alliance with the Sunnis, the war would have assumed a severe turn.Now the elevation of Chalabi assures the Bush cabal a stooge in Baghdad while real resistance from the 70% of Iraqis has been put off.That day is not far off because Ali Shistani will not tolerate sharing power with a scoundrel who has not lived in Iraq for well over thirty years.What is worse he has dallied with an American girl which amounts to blasphemy in the Shiite version of Islam.Yes, Ahmad Chalabi is a marked man. I hope he has a warmed helicopter waiting for his escape.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

31. Or another trunk of a car.... history has a way of repeating itself... eom

[Dr Fate]

11. We are going to have to uncover media bias/propaganda b/f we win any issue

Gannon/Man-date Gate is a good place to start- it seems to get peoples attention.

[lancdem]

12. There's no evidence at this point at least

that Bush is making any headway with his Social Security phase-out plan. I agree with you on Iraq, though.

[KlatooBNikto]

14. On the Social Security issue the people who are doing the fighting are the

elderly, the AARP and others. The big wheels of our Party are dead silent. They need to be hammering the Republicans at every turn.I do not see them doing it.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

24. Like your name... and yes, it was one of the greatest science

fiction movies ever made... especially for the time it was made in...



"America was never innocent. We popped our cherry on the boat over and looked back with no regrets. You can't ascribe our fall from grace to any single event or set of circumstances. You can't lose what you lacked at conception.” – novelist James Ellroy.

[seabeyond]

13. i am a multi tasker, i knew about chalabi

media is what doesnt pick up on the ironic of him being slipped back in. not me.

[Blue-Jay]

19. Yep. Lots of us can pay attention to many things at one time.

I understand the OPs point, but the Guckert thing is a very real issue. Someone at BushCo inserted a non-credentialed non-vetted ass-kisser of a ringer into the press corps under very odd circumstances. That's news. And we should continue pressing the issue until it hits every newspaper in the country.

[Clark2008]

36. I watch Olbermann..

I knew about Chalabi, Gannongate, Iran/Iraq and Social Security because of him: all the topics are covered. Maybe not in depth, given the time constraints and the format (the Oddball stories, for example), but I knew they were happening and what was happening and could use Olbermann's prompt to look up more.
I never watch the rest of the whores in the so-called "MSM."

[KlatooBNikto]

37. You are better off without watching the giggling kewpie dolls or the

bought off drivel peddlers like Hannity, O'Reilly, Krauthammer and their ilk. After I stopped watching them, I believe my IQ has risen by at least 50 points if not more. At the rate this is going, I might be able to join Mensa in a couple of years.

[RBHam]

15. Bush throws Iraq a "curveball"...

Get it?

[KlatooBNikto]

17. LOL, RB!

[dbt]

16. Thank you very much, Klatoo!

The question must ALWAYS be asked: What are we not supposed to notice while this is going on?

:freak:
dbt

[TomClash]

18. Bush's SS plan is DOA

[KlatooBNikto]

20. Again, if that happens, we can thank our elderly citizens and not our

Party bigwheels.

[TomClash]

21. Thank the voters

Who wants to run in '06 after passing Bush's plan? No one.

[WilliamPitt]

22. 'K. Offer a game plan for stopping Chalabi and getting out of Iraq

Said plan must get past the Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress and avoid the White House veto pen. We've had a lot of luck thus far.

The seedcorn problem is the media and their campaign of disinformation and infotainment. If we are going to stop the other stuf, we need the people in the game, and the people right now are hypnotized.

The Gannon scandal is a crack in the wall, and we have to lay in the prybar and lean on that fucker until the crack becomes a gaping hole. Then...

[KlatooBNikto]

25. I agree that we need to launch a multi pronged assault on them.To me

the Gannon affair has all the earmarks of a diversionary tactic and they feel that they can ride it out.The warning sign for me was when Gannon started talking about him being "persecuted" for his Christian beliefs and showed off his born again credentials. That can only mean that the True Believers will side with him against us no matter what the evidence.

On Chalabi, I think it is possible to mount a campaign stating that this was their goal all along in this wretched war, including the forged Niger document,their connecting 9/11 with Iraq,and launching a war on false pretexts about WMD's in Iraq.In the process more than 1500 of our soldiers are dead, countless soldiers maimed, at least a 100,00 Iraqis killed, all to enthrone a known embezzler and liar who provided the rationale on the WMD's to his "embedded" sweetie from the NYT, Judith Miller.

On the Social Security issue we can thank our own senior citizens and people like Paul Krugman for putting up a fierce resistance to the tall tales being woven by the Bush minions.

[KlatooBNikto]

30. I want to add some more to my points on Iraq. If we make Chalabi the issue

and how we are losing our men in a war concocted for his benefit, it would find resonance with most Americans.We need to speak out on this more because the American people hate to be taken in by a foreign con man.OTOH, Gannon, by invoking his Christian credentials looks like laying the groundwork for the Republican Wurlitzer to blame us for persecuting a born again Christian. I see a dead end.

[Stop_the_War]

28. lol "turned on big time" haha

[Minstrel Boy]

29. Exploit the enemy's weakness.

Right now, this is it.

If we keep hammering at it, the whole bloody facade could come tumbling down.

[KlatooBNikto]

32. Maybe. I wouldn't be so sure MB.

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34. They are lyin hypocrites.....

They have lied about everything.

[KlatooBNikto]

35. It is not a lie if you don't get caught.And it is even less of a lie if

you get caught and can ride it out making your opponents red in their faces.