Does the term "religious wrong" have potential to define Repubs?

[kentuck]

It seems the good General, Wesley Clark, coined this term in explaining that "right" Christians believed differently from the ones claiming to be part of the Republican Party. "Right" Christians would not take from the poor and needy children and give it to the rich, no matter what the Republicans claim. They are the religious "wrong" in that matter. A "right" Christian would not glorify war as many have done in the Iraq war.

The "religious wrong" has potential because there is so much substance to back it up. It is not just a term with nothing behind it. It has strength and meaning. It could catch on if used properly and in the right context.

[lenidog]

1. No it doesn't roll off the tongue we need to work on it

Though we are heading in the right direction.

[Snotcicles]

33. How about "Religious Stagnation" or "Religiously Stagnant"

"Religious Obstruction" "Religiously Constricted" ooh thats a good one. "Religious Strangulation" I could go on and on.

I like. "This country has become Religiously Constricted and is becoming Dysfunctional"

[Erika]

2. Agreed 100%

How the GOP can condone Bush's cutbacks to veterans, healthcare, and housing to the needy is beyond me. There is nothing Christian about it.

[kentuck]

4. I think it is a powerful message ...

that should be pointed out at every opportunity... After all, that is what we are all fighting for - to protect the children and the poor from the policies of the "Religious Right".

[thecorster]

37. We like it, but how would it play with the

"religious right?" We need to get some of their votes, and i think this term would do more to ostricize us from them. I doubt this term would change any minds or bring about any enlightenment.

[kentuck]

38. Sometimes they know it but they need to hear it....

in my opinion. I don't think you will change many minds by being nice at this point in the game. We have to tell the truth and be simple and blunt about it. They are not the "religious right" - they are the "religious wrong"....then give examples why...

[thecorster]

39. being nice won't do anything....

good point. the easier we go on them, the more they walk on us. i just hate to see the two parties trade jabs so much because it turns politics even more bitter than it should be and people become disgusted by it, and many don't go vote.

i dont know what the right answer is...

[Jawja]

40. I've always liked

"Religious Reich."

Perhaps the "Regligious Reich" is WRONG on their policies?

[thecai]

24. Agreed With Erika's 100% Agreement

As we do to the least of these, the poor, the needy, the prisoners, we do unto Jesus. Matt. 25:36-46

[MazeRat7]

3. No, it sounds like a lame attempt to coin a phase.

[kentuck]

5. But it's not just a phrase...

There is meaning and definition behind it. It is simple but true, in my opinion.

[MazeRat7]

44. Yes it is simple and true...but unfortunately, it won't sell.

Think about what makes a pop song great. Its not the directness or truth of the hook line, its the the implied imagery of the hook line.

Find implied imagery (and keep it around 3:00 min if its a song) and you have a winner.... *grin.

MZr7

[flordehinojos]

6. "THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT GETS IT WRONG ALL OF THE TIME"!

That is exactly what a saintly old priest said during his homily at a hospital chapel a few years back.

Shortly after that the hospital (or the diocese, i don't know) exiled him into retirement.

that little priest got it right all of the time.

i had the gift of having him come and bless our home.

[kentuck]

7. I don't think General Clark was trying to coin a phrase but...

just stumbled upon a prophetic truth. There is nothing "Christian" in anything the Republicans are doing. This challenges their very base. I think it's great!

[vSmith]

8. "I don't think General Clark was trying to coin a phrase but..."

I think one needs to read Battleshtip Troopers to understand our man, Clark. Service to our Nation is his contribution to a lacking reality

[dxstone]

26. where'd you go there, Valentine?

just sorta drifted off into ether there, and you had me going with that first sentence...
BTW, I'm guessing that's the name... then again, I could be wrong.
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[newyawker99]

29. Hi vSmith!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bluetrain]

9. I've been using that phrase since Bush first took office and I don't

think I was the one to coin it. And, yes, it's an effective term.

[kentuck]

10. There is a time and place for everything...

We shall see. I think it describes the base of the Republican Party perfectly.

[TreasonousBastard]

11. It's been around for a while, but..

it just barely works with the choir and won't work in a major campaign or as a soundbite.

Here's the problem-- the religious right isn't a monolithic group of Nazis, Klan members, and other detritus. Ignore the Dobsons and Phelpses since they mean little to the true believers.

Nope, the fundagelicals are a varied group with a fair number of nutcases, but many who can and will work with us on many issues. We have to find the common points we have with them. Insulting them as a group won't help at all.

[kentuck]

14. They support the policies of GWBush and the Repub Party...

and they run counter to everything we have ever been taught about Christianity. What policy do they support that is "Christian" in nature. By their works they shall be known.

[TreasonousBastard]

16. Who's that? There's millions of them...

and I know quite a few who do NOT support most of Shrub's policies.

There's a big Green movement amongst the fundies, and another that supports charities and working for the poor and disadvantaged that is pissed at the funding cuts. There's even a small, and growing, antiwar group.

What I have heard from many fundies is that even when we agree on some policies, they feel unwelcome in the Democratic Party when they mention religion or abortion. I was at a MoveOn gettogether earlier tonight, and exactly this was brought up by someone who spends a lot of time with the fundies who would like to be on our side on many issues.

We have to make some accomodation for some of their beliefs, and then they can dump the Shrub and the rightwing minions and come over to the dark side. The alternative is more of the same crap we've been seeing for years.

[kentuck]

18. How come they're so quiet??

One might think it was unanimous. Jesus would be proud of them.

[TreasonousBastard]

23. They're not that quiet, but...

they're drowned out by the Falwells of the world.

Like Lutherans, Methodists, and so many other Protestant denominations, they just aren't openly very political. Genuinely religious ministers spend their time doing weddings and funerals, preparing sermons, visitng the sick, counseling the troubled, running the charitable works like soup kitchens and homeless shelters...

They, and their parishioners, don't have the the time or interest in getting into political campaigns or getting publicity.

TV preachers and mega-ministries are anathema to millions of these people. They don't go around shoving their religion in your face and they simply live their lives as they feel a Christian should without making a big deal out of it.

Don't let Pat Robertson fool you into thinking that because he has a TV network and has conned a lot of people out of their money that he represents 30 million evangelicals. He doesn't.

There are unquestionably vast numbers of those who have been fooled by the yahoos, but there are still vaster numbers who see them as "false prophets." They are our allies, and not the enemy.

We just have to figure out how to meet them and work with them.

[kentuck]

30. If you are correct...

Then we should be testing the waters to see how much support we have from "these" non-supporters of Bush and the Repubs, do you agree?

[Pockets]

12. Excellent idea

There are problems with the phrase "religious wrong" if you overanalyze it, but those kind of attacks that are the most frustrating to have to defend. I hope it catches on!

[Tux]

13. I prefer

Dogmatic Wrong.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

15. It could work. But something like that has to get ....

repeated and repeated. As whenever someone is in the media they should use the term "Religious Wrong". Then it will seep through.

[Quixote1818]

17. How about Fundamentalist Wackos? Take a page from Rush nt

[sandnsea]

19. Fundie Frenzy

For whenever they go wacka wacka over something. Religious wrong is good, but I prefer plain old fashioned Theocrats.

[kentuck]

20. 80% of the people ask ??

What's a Theocrat ?? :)

[sandnsea]

25. Oh don't do that

If people are that damned stupid, that would just make me go

:banghead:

[kentuck]

31. They are...

let me get out of the way... :)

[BigBearJohn]

21. I LOVE IT! Defines them exquisitely

[thecai]

22. PERFECT Description

It does have strength and meaning. Good post!
You'll know them by their fruits; Love, Peace, Joy, Goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, Faithfulness, Patience, and Self-Control.

[dxstone]

27. Personally, I prefer "Deluded Simpletons"...

Short, descriptive, surgically precise.

Either that or "Psychotic Madmen"...
And then of course, there's always that old standby,

"Stupid Idiots"




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[MsConduct]

28. Faux religious right would work. n/t

[Toucano]

32. It's very useful.

I think it's more useful to divide the evangelicals, not all of whom voted for Bush. It's most useful, I think, in separating the genuinely devout from the theocratic posers. Think Southern Baptist Jimmy Carter versus Southern Baptist Ralph Reed.

On edit:

I wanted to add that the evangelicals are facing a crisis over "The Purpose Driven Life". Witness this from the funadmenatlist evangelical association:

http://www.fundamentalbiblechurch.org/Foundation/fbcAnalysis.htm
"Yes, the Bible is sufficient, and yes, God does use pastors and teachers to train and disciple believers in the truths of Scripture, but The Purpose-Driven® Life is not consistently faithful to God's Word and therefore must be rejected by serious, discerning believers."

It's dividing the fundy churches. I'm not sure what a "discerning believer" is, but it's interesting that they have begun to eat their own.

[KittyWampus]

34. Religious McCarthyism Works For Me. It Points A Specific Mindset-

those who insist THEIR version is the 'Acceptable' way and the one to be forced onto others.

[Snotcicles]

41. Evangelical Bondage n/t

[Pepperbelly]

35. Wes's is good ... another is "F*CKING MOONIES!"

Both phrases give the hearer enough info upon which decisions can be made. :D

[mikehiggins]

36. It works because it speaks to what lots of fundies know in their own

hearts. The GOPuke message is NOT Christ's, no matter how important abortion/whatever might be to individuals.

Dealing with fundies you have to ask if these GOPukes really speak for them and their religious beleifs. Ask them about the Sermon on the Mount (for those who don't know what I'm referring to, look it up) which is sort of the "roadmap" of Christianity.

[PurityOfEssence]

42. How about "GODNAPPERS"?

The mega-religious literally hijack society and hold us all ransom for their cocksure guess.

Perhaps "God Pirates" is better.

"Godjackers" has too weird a quasi-sexual tinct to it...

Certainly, though, it's important to somehow slag these mean and sour spoilsports before they enslave the world.

[MiniMe]

43. The Moral Majority is neither! n/t

[Toots]

45. I think Religious Extremist may have more impact

Religious Wrong could be confused with Religion being wrong. People understand when you say things are being carried to an extreme. It doesn't put down any religion and yet steers things back towards sanity.