Lyndie England question...

[Javaman]

Apart from her being photographed with the abused prisoners, what else is she charged with?

Did she abuse the prisoners or is she only being charged as an accomplice?

[BlueEyedSon]

1. She was on the other end of the leash.

Is that abuse? You tell me.

[Javaman]

2. So let me get this straight...

I'm not defending her, but she is at the center of all of this because she was photographed but didn't take part?

I know others were convicted because of their their part in abusing the prisoners, but I find her being tried as odd, while no officer is being held accountable.

nothing like a good show for the soma masses.

[BlueEyedSon]

3. She was photographed WHILE IN THE PROCESS of taking part.

Didn't you see the pix?

[Javaman]

7. See that's what I'm not clear on...

Although she was in the pictures and it appears as if the ones she was in were posed, did she take part in the various tortures?

Again, I'm not defending her, I just want to get a clear answer on this.

Although, I'm completely appalled at this whole thing, I just want to know has she admitted to being a part of the torturing?

My point is: is she being singled out as the poster child for this fuck up because she is in many of the photos? Or is she just an easy target for the higher ups to pin something on so they can save their own hides?

[countryjake]

9. What's your definition of prisoner maltreatment?

Yes, she has admitted to moving prisoners, who were stripped naked, from one area to another, by attaching them to a dog leash & making them crawl on all-fours. She is pleading out so I'd guess she sure is admitting to being a torturer. She also is saying that nobody told her that she shouldn't do such things & they did know about it. No question that only a few are being scapegoated, but that would be standard when any policy of torture is discovered.

Are you implying that dragging a naked man around on a leash is an acceptable way for prisoners to be treated? There is photographic evidence of her torturing prisoners...fall guy or not, she is guilty.

[Javaman]

10. no, not implying that at all..

I just haven't been following this all that closely.

Just given all the BS this admin feeds us on a daily basis, I just wanted the facts.

She should serve time, but what galls me is the fact that none of her superiors are going to jail for this. I just can't believe all of this mistreatment and torturing happened in a vacuum.

[countryjake]

11. She's definitely claiming it did NOT happen in a vacuum...

I saw her interviewed last night and she said that even tho she wasn't a regular participant in such practices, the people she worked for did know that it was going on and none of them did anything to stop or condemn such behavior. Her attitude was that she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Can't find any transcript of her interview, but here is the latest on her pleading guilty. Likely, she won't serve much time, at all. If any of these soldiers were to get a really long sentence, I'd guess more of the truth in the matter might come out.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/02/england.plea/index.html

~snips~

During a pretrial hearing at Fort Hood, Texas, England pleaded guilty to seven charges: two counts of conspiracy, four counts of abusing detainees and one count of committing an indecent act. Judge Col. James Pohl accepted the guilty pleas Monday afternoon.

CNN has learned that England could face as little as two years in prison on the seven charges, under terms of a plea agreement reached with prosecutors. Technically, she could be jailed for 11 years.

England pleaded not guilty to two other counts against her: dereliction of duty and committing an indecent act. The prosecutor has agreed not to pursue those two charges under the plea deal.

Through her military attorney, Capt. Jonathan Crisp, England asked that a jury be seated to decide her penalty. That jury, a panel of nine officers and enlisted men, would be seated Tuesday. The jury could significantly lower England's jail time as it did earlier this year for Sgt. Javal Davis, who made a deal giving him 18 months in prison. The jury, however, reduced that sentence to six months.

[Balbus]

4. Conspiracy to maltreat prisoners..

Assault and Battery, Dereliction of Duty, and Obeying a Lawful Order.

[Flubadubya]

5. Nevertheless...

It's Rumsferatu's ass that ought to be in a sling over this... despite what anyone might think of this woman's misdeeds.

If it weren't for the policies, there wouldn't have been the abuses... pretty simple stuff, I'd say.

[AndyTiedye]

6. She Has a Promising Career Ahead of her...

...as a dominatrix.

[wallwriter]

8. How about Alberto Gonzalez?

How can they simultaneously say that torture is OK, but that it was only the action of a few bad apples? It's like Holocaust deniers: they love Hitler for hating Jews, blacks, gays, etc., but insist that he didn't actually kill them.