SEVERE INCONSISTANCIES in the "capture of al Qaeda's #3 man"

[LynnTheDem]

A great gathering of facts by DUer "oblivious", who asked I post all this (oblivious hasn't time today to do so). WELL DONE, oblivious!

Has bush YET AGAIN mixed up people's Arabic names?

bush has been going on and on about this captured Libbi being the #3 al Qaeda "commander". Problem is, that's what BUSH says, but -and this will sound familiar- Middle East and European intelligence agents say that is not the case:

However, some European and Middle Eastern intelligence officials raised questions about Mr. Libbi's importance to the Qaeda organization.

Three officials said they were surprised to hear senior officials in the United States and Pakistan characterize Mr. Libbi as a highly ranked Qaeda commander. One Middle Eastern intelligence official said: "We don't have information that this man is or was the No. 3 man of Al Qaeda. This man was important for operations in Pakistan, but he is not the No. 3 man in the organization."

A senior German official suggested there may have been some confusion with Abu al-Liby, a Libyan-born senior Qaeda commander who was indicted for an "operational role" in the August 1998 bombings of two American embassies in east Africa.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/04/international/asia/04cnd-pakistan.html?hp&ex=1115265600&en=e190d5eb9d779215&ei=5094&partner=homepage

So my question is; WHO is bush getting his "darn good intell" from THIS time? :eyes:

Another name problem mixed in with another curious thing;

For a guy so important, you'd think he might be on the US most wanted list, right? Nope. He wasn't. No Abu Faraj Farj al Liby on the US Most Wanted. Yet he's supposedly the #3 al Qaeda commander?

BUT:

"Washington had offered a multi-million-dollar reward for Liby, but he does not figure on the US "most wanted" list —although a namesake, Anas al-Liby, wanted in connection with the bombings of two US embassies in East Africa in 1998, is on the list."

The same guy the German intell agent spoke of, who suggested bush has mixed up the names. (Wouldn't be the first time bush has done that.)

The Big Question for Pakistan is "where the hell did we catch this guy, anyway?"

Apparently they're not sure. Or rather, they're sure...but each official is sure Liby was caught in a different location than each of the other officials think.

No. 1: Intelligence officials said Liby was caught in the tribal region of South Waziristan, where hundreds of al Qaeda militants and their local supporters have been fighting Pakistani security forces since early 2004.

No 2.: But another intelligence official said the terror mastermind was arrested on the outskirts of Mardan — a town in North West Frontier province — around 350 km north of South Waziristan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-050405qaeda_lat,0,3429999.story?coll=la-home-headlines

No 3.: Nightline had former CIA operative Gary Schroen (who led the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks) on plugging the official story, but he too contradicted Pakistani officials on where the guy was caught:

KOPPEL: It's right along the border with Afghanistan?

SCHROEN: It's along the border of Afghanistan, but north of Peshawar, far north of Waziristan, where we have been looking for bin Laden. ... So the capture in Bashour I think is significant.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=728820&page=1

So we have intell agents saying this Liby is NOT al Qaeda's #3 commander; we have this Liby whom bush calls the #3 al Qaeda commander but who is NOT on the US Most Wanted List; but we DO have a different Liby on that list...but we don't have that listed Liby captured; and no one in Pakistan seems to agree just where in Pakistan this Liby was caught by Pakistan.

Something smells. Dontcha think?

For oblvious' theory and conclusion;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3600674#3601501

[Straight Shooter]

1. Little Boots' poll numbers are down. That's all we need to know to decide

It's like clockwork. Poll numbers go down, focus on al-Qaeda goes up. It's a remarkable inverse relationship.

[htuttle]

2. Bush panics when his poll numbers drop..

...so he shouts to Rove, "Call 911! Call 9/11!"

[Bok_Tukalo]

9. "Call 9/11!"

Funny

[skypilot]

3. I don't follow these "captures" as closely as I...

...probably should because it just seems to me that every several months or so there is a claim that the #2 or #3 guy in al Qaeda has been captured.

[Frederik]

4. thanks a lot for all that!

What a parody all this is.

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[slor]

6. Good work! n/t

[FloridaPat]

7. Everytime they capture one of the guys it's wierd. Remember when

they captured the #2 or #3 guy about a year ago? His ranking went from 24 to w in one day. They raided his apartment, grabbed him, and took him and his computer away. But when people talked to the wife, apparently he was taken away a month before, but they busted into the apartment, grabbed the computer, and then claimed they had him. And the computer you might ask! Seems he did have a bunch on al-Qaida stuff on it - in English.

[DrDebug]

8. So what?

The report made headlines in all the MSM. And this story will probably end on page #89 if we're lucky, so most will never know of the screw up.

Mission Accomplished!

[LynnTheDem]

10. So what? So WE know. And truth & reality & facts are ALWAYS a good

thing to know.

And one person knowing is better than no persons knowing.

A few persons knowing is better than one person knowing.

Etc.

imo. :)