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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:55 PM
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Seems The Smoking Gun Memo Has Finally Broken Through
Edited on Wed May-11-05 09:59 PM by althecat
Hi,

Some of you may have noticed that I have been monitoring Google and Yahoo news matches on the UK Memo in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3606664&mesg_id=3612501

The latest comparative numbers in this study are...

36 - 197 - 56
up from
23 - 139 - 39 (May 7th)
&
29 - 168 - 47 (May 11th)


And so it seems finally we see some movement...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-memogate12may12,0,1760579.story?coll=la-home-headlines
LONDON -- Reports in the British media this month based on documents indicating that President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair had conditionally agreed by July 2002 to invade Iraq appear to have blown over quickly in Britain. But in the United States, where the reports at first received scant attention, there has been a growing groundswell of indignation among critics of the Bush White House, who say the documents help prove the leaders made a secret decision to oust Saddam Hussein nearly a year before launching their attack, shaped intelligence to that aim, and never seriously intended to avert the war through diplomacy.

The documents, obtained by Michael Smith, a defense specialist writing for the Sunday Times of London, include minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting of Blair and his intelligence and military chiefs, a briefing paper for that meeting, and a Foreign Office legal opinion prepared before the summit of Blair and Bush in Crawford, Texas, on April 6-7, 2002.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/11/britain.war.memo/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Eighty-nine Democratic members of the U.S. Congress last week sent President George W. Bush a letter asking for explanation of a secret British memo that said "intelligence and facts were being fixed" to support the Iraq war in mid-2002 -- well before the president brought the issue to Congress for approval.

The Times of London newspaper published the memo -- actually minutes of a high-level meeting on Iraq held July 23, 2002 -- on May 1.

British officials did not dispute the document's authenticity, and Michael Boyce, then Britain's Chief of Defense Staff, told the paper that Britain had not then made a decision to follow the United States to war, but it would have been "irresponsible" not to prepare for the possibility.

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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:56 PM
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1. Thank you althecat. I hope it continues to break through.
Edited on Wed May-11-05 10:14 PM by bear425
edit: Britons, is it true the story has "blown over quickly" there? I somehow doubt that.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:28 PM
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8. I hope so too!!
Maybe that's why all the events of today?
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 09:58 PM
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2. This is great!
Many here believe the cessna incident was timed to distract the WH reporters from asking about it. Could be.

Deja vu. I did a similar thing back when we knew about Gannon/Guckert. Seems like it took weeks for the corporate media to pick up on that story.

But there is one common factor....John Conyers has been with us!

Keep tracking (suggest a post in the media forum, it stays alive longer).
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 11:02 PM
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12. I think it was
Most reporters will ask Scotty about the Cessna, and if they haven't already, about the "grenade", which was probably a dang apple.

So there we have another newsday wasted.

I'm jaded, and no longer ashamed to admit it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:03 PM
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3. Thousands of us had to pull it out of them kicking and screaming.
Where's the broadcast news segments discussing this? Russert runs the NBC newsroom....he said NOTHING during MTP or on any of the GE bought newsnetworks.

Chris Matthews doesn't think a president's crime of office rates an hour on his show, or won't Russert let him upset GE?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:30 PM
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10. I think
probably Russert if he controls the newsroom. He must get his orders from somewhere else. I don't know why CNN was reporting about it. Did they call the paper a tabloid though or are they REALLY discussing about it?
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On Par Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:09 PM
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4. So Here's The $64,000 Question....
Edited on Wed May-11-05 10:16 PM by On Par
If, as we didn't know all along, Georgie and Tony were sitting in a tree, p-l-o-t-t-i-n-g.

And, Since they conveniently rigged the intel because SH wasn't bothering any neighbors, and couldn't bake bread let alone make WMD's, then tell me, "How can anyone possibly place Saddam on trial for war crimes, let alone get a conviction?"

Not only are these offenses beyond a shadow of a doubt impeachable , but doesn't this document give Saddam a "Get out of Jail" FREE card?

One would think all that Saddam's lawyer's need to do is wave this top secret document in front of the judges face and voila... "Case Dismissed!"
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:16 PM
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5. Then all hell would break loose on G.W.
Man, would I love to see that.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:31 PM
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11. Exactly
Why else have the never brought him on trial or even talk about him anymore?
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:37 AM
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20. Do you think Saddam will ever go to trial?
Maybe his plane will crash on the way to court?
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:13 AM
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21. Conspiracy to commit war on a soverign nation.
Is there a law against that?

Americans got indignant about the 3K+ people who died on 9/11.
Iraq will hate us forever for the 100K+ people who have died because of George Bush. I don't want Saddam back in power, but you do have a point there about his trial.
Saddam and Shrub should be cell mates in the Netherlands.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:52 PM
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26. Simple solution to that
& I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. Saddam will be found in his cell & determined to have committed suicide by shooting himself in the head...twice....from a far range.

dg
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:19 PM
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32. there was never any chance of a trial. Just like catching Bin Laden Too
many secrets would be unearthed.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:27 PM
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6. Molly's column was about it today too... n/t
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:28 PM
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7. related post
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:29 PM
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9. pita, when I click your link I get a post message window. n/t
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:13 AM
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14. Was trying to point to a post titled
"FINALLY! CNN: Bush asked to explain UK war memo"

in GD
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 11:07 PM
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13. Thanks al
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:41 AM
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17. Hi again...
O8)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:15 AM
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15. They do not want this story to break.... I repeat...
They do not want this story to break. They will do anything to divert and distract to keep this story off the front pages...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:18 AM
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16. Just like today
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:12 AM
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18. Might "fixed intelligence" include the Niger uranium forgery?
Any stories out there floating the notion that the mysterious forgery was part of the intelligence and facts that were fixed?

Not too hard to make connections between the UK memo, Niger forgery, Bolton, Wilson, Plame...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:19 AM
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19. I think that is pretty much taken as read.. as is "curveball" "Judith...
.. Miller" and all the rest of the crapola that resulted in the war.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:19 AM
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22. I and I'm sure many others wrote the L.A. Times
and Voila. Finally we got an acknowledgment of the story. The L.A. Times coverage is not bad either although it is not nearly as strong as it should be.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:21 PM
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23. What's the media count today?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:45 PM
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24. 9.45am 13 May NZT - Count is: 47 - 236 - 64
So still going up quite fast
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:47 PM
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25. Helen Thomas is a major new entrant to the game
The grand old dame herself... hopefully this will now get raised with Mclellan...




http://www.wesh.com/helenthomas/4481363/detail.html

U.S., U.K. Voters Don't Care About Credibility
Times Change, So Do Values
Helen Thomas, Hearst White House columnist

POSTED: 12:03 pm EDT May 12, 2005

Funny thing about America and Great Britain. I once thought their people cared about the credibility and accountability of their leaders, especially when it comes to war and peace. But now I note with regret that the voters in both nations have other priorities.

I'm talking about the fact that the leaders of both nations chose to invade Iraq for flimsy reasons that were deliberately drummed up to convince their people that a third-world country was a threat to them. Didn't the Brits say Saddam Hussein could attack in 45 minutes?

The historic election of Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair for a third term is a stunning affirmation that the British people no longer demand credibility from their leaders.

The false rationales for war by both George W. Bush and Blair went up in smoke without a public outcry. I know Blair returns to power with a much smaller majority in the House of Commons -- compared with his landslide victories in the past -- apparently because of British disillusionment with the war. He also is hearing post-election calls from within his own Labor Party for him to step down. Still, he was re-elected.

In the case of Bush, the ill-advised war against Iraq did not take center stage in the presidential election last November. His opponent, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., had voted for the war and delivered a coup de grace to himself by saying he would have done the same thing­ -- invade Iraq, even after it had become apparent to all that the pretext for the invasion (Saddam Hussein's imaginary weapons of mass destruction) was a mirage. Kerry blew it big time.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 03:26 PM
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27. 8am 14th May - Count is 52 -261 - 70 - Washington Post Joins The Affray
Edited on Fri May-13-05 03:26 PM by althecat
And of course we have the wash post... which ought to rapidly lead to a doubling in these numbers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/12/AR2005051201857.html

Tis highly ammusing that earlier threads on this discussing Mockingbird used Pincus's name.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:11 PM
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28. 4pm 14 May NZT - 53 -265 - 70
So not much progress...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:24 PM
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29. 2.20pm 15 May NZT - 53 - 266 - 73 (Progress has stalled)
Sorry to say this but aside from Mockingbird's Pincus, a story on CNN's website, a brief Crossfire mention and a story in the LA Times all we have seen so far has been columns....
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:56 PM
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30. 11am 16 May NZT - 55 - 273 - 75 (Michael Gettler Fesses Up...)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/14/AR2005051400705.html

News Over There, but Not Here

By Michael Getler

Sunday, May 15, 2005; Page B06

My e-mail in-box was once again inundated last week by write-in campaigns provoked by two self-described media watchdog organizations, both on the liberal side of things. The first critic out of its box and into mine is called Media Matters for America. The second one was FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting), an organization that I wrote about last month.

There were more than 1,000 e-mails, plus some phone calls, all of them blasting The Post and some of them blasting me. The Post was attacked for not following up the disclosure by the London Sunday Times on May 1 about a secret memo by an aide to British Prime Minister Tony Blair in July 2002, recounting a meeting among Blair and his top aides eight months before the invasion of Iraq and after a trip to Washington by the head of British intelligence. The memo reported, among other things, that "military action was now seen as inevitable" in Washington and that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."


I've said in earlier columns that I don't like massive e-mail campaigns. But I've always made clear that the points these challenges raise can often be legitimate, and that's the case here. I don't know how to say this without seeming defensive, but I do think the case against the paper is a lot stronger than the case against me.

The case against me was laid out by Media Matters, which complained that in last Sunday's column I had taken note that a handful of readers had faulted the paper for not following up on the Times's disclosure, but that I didn't give an opinion about that criticism, as I usually do with most other issues raised in the ombudsman's column. That's a fair observation. The main reason I didn't express a view was that, at the time of my writing on May 5, I didn't know much about the London Times report other than what the six or seven readers who had e-mailed me said at the time.

The Post had reported essentially nothing. There was a glancing mention of the leaked memo in the Style section by columnist Tina Brown on May 5 and a one-sentence reference inside a news story on May 6 about Blair's election victory.

So what I chose to do was to give readers at least some idea what they were missing by including what seemed to be the most important quotes from the secret memo, but without further comment, in part because it was not clear to me yet if the memo was authentic or if there was something about its substance that wasn't apparent. When I asked editors at the time why there had been no coverage, I was told that "it was a story that, in the best of all worlds, would have been in the paper, but we were tied up with election coverage."

In subsequent questioning, editors agreed that this story should be covered and said they were going to go back and do that. On Friday, a solid story by reporter Walter Pincus was published on Page A18. Nevertheless, I have to say I'm amazed that The Post took almost two weeks to follow up on the Times report.

The key line in the leaked memo, in my view, is the assessment by British intelligence, after a visit to Washington, that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." That kind of assertion has been made by critics and commentators, but it has not been included in official post-invasion assessments here about how the country went to war under what turned out to be false premises about weapons of mass destruction and other matters. Investigating that assessment, coming from the key U.S. ally in the war, certainly seems journalistically mandatory. Indeed, while official U.S. commissions and committees have documented just how bad U.S. intelligence was, they have stopped short of assessing what happened to that intelligence after it was prepared.

The Post also failed to report that, on May 5, 90 Democrats in Congress sent a letter to President Bush about the "troubling revelations" in the London Sunday Times that the United States and Britain "had secretly agreed to attack Iraq . . . before you even sought congressional authority."

There was, actually, very little coverage of the leaked memo anywhere in the U.S. press, with a couple of important exceptions. The New York Times, alertly, did a story right away from London on May 2, including some of the language from the memo and some reaction from Blair. The Knight Ridder news service distributed a story from Washington on May 6 putting the memo in the context of what official Washington had been saying at the time in 2002. It also quoted an unnamed "former senior U.S. official"" as describing the account of the senior British intelligence officer's visit to Washington as "an absolutely accurate description of what transpired." Last Thursday, the Los Angeles Times also contributed an article prepared in London and Washington headlined "Indignation Grows in U.S. Over British Prewar Document." None of these stories were on the front page. Even though it was late, The Post should have broken that pattern.

How significant this memo may turn out to be is still to be determined. But the reaction to the failure to cover it, even with the hyperbole and worst assumptions about journalistic motives by some of the e-mailers, is understandable. It is a reminder of how powerfully the circumstances leading up to this war still reverberate within a sizable chunk of the population and why the press should not let go of any loose ends that may shed light on how this happened.

Michael Getler can be reached by phone at 202-334-7582 or by e-mail atombudsman@washpost.com.

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:03 PM
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31. This is so DAMN COOL I wrote to congratulate him...
Dear Michael,

I figure your inbox is probably now full of glowing reports of your insight and wisdom. So let me add mine....

Your latest column was as fine an example of an honest reflection on a media failure as I have ever seen, and I commend you for it.

regards
Alastair Thompson


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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:25 PM
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34. 10:22am 17 May NZ - 78 - 290 - 80 (now we are getting momentum)
Krugman
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/16/opinion/edkrug.php
or
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/opinion/16krugman.html?hp

NY Review of Books
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18034

And WOLF and OLBERMANN....

This all proves conclusively that media activism works...
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:13 PM
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35. 9am 18 May NZT - 75 -344 - 88 (Numbers jump but no breakthrough...)
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:22 PM
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33. We can help: Go to www.downingstreetmemo.com and click action
Then, choose some addresses in the mediablaster, and blast away. Real easy. Takes just a minute.
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