what's so wrong about flushing the Koran to offend prisoners of war?

[mopaul]

some folks, (on the other side) see nothing at all wrong with this alleged practice of using a person's own religion as a weapon of torture against them. 'so what if the rag heads are offended'? one c-span caller just said.

to some americans, it's no big deal, those people aren't exactly human anyways, and their god is a false god anyways, so fuck em' and fuck their religion too.

america ain't supposed to be like that.

[bullimiami]

1. what if they grabbed some fundie american soldiers

and made them jam crucifixes up each others asses, smear crap on their bibles and force them to say they loved mohammed and jesus was a dog?



think anyone in this country would be having a problem with it?

[liberalnurse]

10. The "insurgents" have more effective

methods of humiliation....They caputure Americans, parade them on International TV then cut off their heads......They don't waste time with the small stuff....

[Ms. Clio]

29. How often has this happened, in fact?

How many such "parades" have you actually seen?

Links, please.

[mwb970]

15. Actually this was worse.

In Islam, the position of the Koran compares not to the position of the Bible in Christianity, but rather to the position of Jesus Christ.

This was like flushing Jesus himself down the loo.

[Swamp Rat]

2. Report to the nearest re-education center for brain-cleaning

[devinsgram]

14. Just think, this might be considering running for pres in 2008

Now here's a man to vote for, NOT.

[Swamp Rat]

18. It won't be running, it'll be floating and hissing commands to the drones.

[richmwill]

3. What's funny...

These are the same people who sob when Ten Commandments displays are (correctly) removed from schools and Federal courthouses.

[etherealtruth]

7. Yeah ... Freedom of religion is really important ...

...but only if it's RW fundy, of course.

[stellanoir]

4. Muslims have an entirely

different attitude and reverence towards that which is considered to be sacred. They are not allowed to even touch a Koran unless they wash their forearms and hands completely.

Modesty is also very essential to their sanctity. That's why we lost any hope of winning this idiotic conflict as soon as those pictures from Abu Graib were released.

There is no way in which we haven't failed to win their trust at every turn. It's such a mess.

[Hubert Flottz]

5. Well..................it's like this!

You would have to be pretty damned stupid, to vote for a dummy like Bush!

[malaise]

6. Who Told Newsweek to back off

from the story? I am beyond curious.

[mopaul]

8. the nazis?

the people, (a small percentage of them) want to know

[CottonBear]

9. A caller compared burning the US flag to flushing the Koran

and he said that it was OK for US troops and interrogators to flush the Koran and not OK for angry Afghans to burn the flag.

He was equating the flag to a religous text. I've had it with these right-wing fundies. They defy logic and the facts when making their arguments. How can one possibly have a debate with someone who is illogical and anti-intellectual?

[mopaul]

11. he also managed to slip in the word 'raghead'

which is a substitute for sand nigger

[CottonBear]

21. I heard that too. Nasty language.

God, these people have no shame. They are racists and bigots. I had never even heard that term until after 9-11. I suppose I don't hanf gout with bigots and racists.

[cry baby]

12. Humanity just isn't in some humans. nt

[spanone]

13. Read this morn....Never happened...move along folks...Newsweek lied

This kind of thinking just shows how little of the Muslim thinking we understand. These are people who 'live' their religion.

[DrRang]

16. Remember the Sepoy Revolt, George? Course not.

In the 1800s a major revolt started against the British occupiers of India when a rumor got out that the Brits were smearing their bullets with pig and cow grease, the pig being untouchable to Muslims and the cow sacred to Hindus.

[undeterred]

17. Doing things to inflame the hatred the Muslim Arab world already

feels for us can't bring good results- it just entrenches their opinion of us as the "Great Satan".

[morgan2]

19. sounds completely harmless and a smart idea to me

its freaken paper, flushing it down the toilet isn't a big deal. If it can help get someone to talk who cares? Its a lot better then roughing people up.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

22. our government should not be involved in religious desecration

that's just the way i see it. i don't think it is a smart move. it certainly does nothing to dispell the myth that our actions in the middle east are of the religious persuasion.

[tyedyeto]

20. Respect

That is what is missing from so many who defend this type of behavior.

It has nothing to do with the actual event, if it even occurred. Perception around the world is that the nation who proclaims to have the most freedom is the one who degrades others who have different beliefs. Sadly, this country is now being seen by others around the world as having no respect for their views about faith and belief.

How do we overcome that viewpoint? I don't have the answers but removing this administration is the first one that pops into my head. Second, since that isn't likely to happen, focusing on the election in 2006 to take back our Congress is vastly more important that arguing about who will or will not run for President in 2008. If we can achieve that, then perhaps the first could be accomplished.

[Tsiyu]

23. I wonder how this person would feel if his King James

took the same plunge.

Amazing the people who feel persecuted, isn't it?

[malaise]

24. The worst thing about this incident

is that Bush and co intend to make it look like Newsweek is responsible for the anti-American feelings. That is rubbish.

[mopaul]

25. they are fiendishly clever

and psychopathically incline

[Tsiyu]

32. Of course!

The truth tries to escape every now and then. It is rumored to be held as an enemy combatant at Gitmo.

[Jack_DeLeon]

28. The only thing being hurt by this is the plumbing...

well that and the people killed in riots because fundamentalist idiots.

This whole thing is stupid, that people would riot and kill over something as trivial as this.

[Tsiyu]

33. Ever hear of the straw that broke the camel's back?

The prior straws were heavier than this one....

[Protagoras]

26. Utah banned Marylin Manson a few years back for

tearing up a bible on stage.

I wonder what the callers from that RW state are saying about it.

[Tinoire]

27. Aw hush. It was nothing more than another "frat prank"

why shoot, we have people here who see nothing wrong with it. After all, they say, it's just some "stupid" book.

We treating Muslims/Arabs/sympathizers to a luxurious retreat at Camp Gitmo in the beautiful Carribean- what the big fuss about some stupid book being tossed into their waste buckets?

Shudder :scared:.

[Hubert Flottz]

30. RE:"what's so wrong about flushing the Koran to offend prisoners

of war?"

Nothing if you like watching more of those movies that the terra-ists make when they chop or guy's heads off! As well as I can remember we didn't see any such movies until the story and photos about the prisoner abuse at the Abu Ghreib POW camp came out!

[Lerkfish]

31. this hasn't been america for some time now...

this is not the america I have known and loved all my life...which means several things, not all of them mutually exclusive:

1. I grew up naive and believed in the principle of freedom as the greatest asset our country had, instead of its corporations.
2. This country has changed and for the worst
3. This country was always this bad, we just didn't hear about it.
4. we heard about it, but ignored it.


somebody stop me!