"Remember the Maine" & Gulf of Tonkin option for Iran?

[yurbud]

It occurred to me that another way the Bush people might sell their war in Iran besides a fake terror attack here is a trumped up attack on our fleet in the area, especially after the discussion in various quarters about the Sunburn nuclear anti-ship missiles Iran may have gotten from Russia.

Would that be as effective in rallying people to the next war?

Love,

Karl Rove

[doublethink]

1. Rather Lengthy Article ......

here but it covers that possible scenario .... along with Peak Oil, and a variety of other issues relating to Iran being next. If you have the time read through it ..... interesting. here's the part you reminded me of with your post.....

"Because the likely outcomes are unpalatable, and because the ongoing occupation of neighboring Iraq is not going well, American officials would find it nearly impossible to launch an attack on Iran without an adequate immediate pretext. Therefore Iran must be enticed to attack the US, or must be made to appear to do so. The most likely scenario would be for Israel to take the lead in bombing Iranian nuclear facilities. To Tehran, this would signify US involvement, as Israeli planes would likely fly over US-controlled Iraqi air space. Iran would then predictably retaliate against both Israel and the US, perhaps by launching Scud missiles toward Israel and Sunburn cruise missiles against one or more American warships stationed in the Persian Gulf. The loss of an aircraft carrier or battleship with hundreds or thousands of American sailors on board could then summon a sufficient emotional response from the American people so that the full resources of the nation (including an immediate re-institution of the draft) could be mustered behind a three-pronged invasion of Iran from Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Gulf.

Alternatively, if Iran did not take the bait and sink a US warship, Israel could do so under false flag, with the American people being told that the Iranian mullahs were to blame. Or an American city could be attacked from within by "terrorists", with Tehran again being assigned the guilt.

These events are most likely to commence before the end of 2005, as Iran cannot be permitted to open its oil bourse in March 2006. -snip-

http://www.energybulletin.net/4634.html

Peace. :)

[LynnTheDem]

2. 1. In any land attack on Iran, the US will be literally all alone.

2. In any land invasion on Iran, US troops will get creamed and we won't have any US military left to worry about.

3. Hopefully the morans in the White House know this.

[TNOE]

3. Ahhh Lynn

Number 2 - you know you know better than this - we'll have another colition of the willing and bribed which will only include Britan and Poland - don't forget Poland.

[LynnTheDem]

5. Nope I'd never forget Poland. :D But UK and Poland have already stated

they will not participatein any further US invasions.

The UK can't, whether they wanted to or not. They have no equipment and no money to do so, and not even bLiar is willing and he certainly isn't bribable any longer as even his own party want him the hell out the door. The majority of Brits (unlike half the population of the USA) have integrity and honor, and do believe in the rule of law...and the UK is a member of the World Court.

Poland only sent a whopping HUGH!!! 200 combat troops to Iraq; if the Polish government can yet again ignore the majority of Poles and send their combat troops into Iran to be annhilated, then good luck to them. But it wouldn't change a thing for our troops; they'd get creamed.

[TNOE]

7. Just teasing with ya!!

:hi: - I KNOW you've got your ducks in a row - you always do providing us with all SORTS of great info!

[LynnTheDem]

9. STOP TEASING ME YOU BULLY!!!

Heh. :D :D :D

I knew you were just winding me up. :P

Scares the crap outta me tho that bush & Cartel might be so stupid as to ignore all the experts and common sense and facts yet again, and try to invade & occupy Iran...and that would be a FUBAR of a disaster beyond belief.

And thanks for your kind words, appreciate it!!!

:hi:

[yurbud]

4. it won't be another Iraq, it will be worse

Iran is more ethnically unified, has a greater sense of national identity, and a hardcore of religious true believers who back the mullahs unlike Saddam who's followers were about as loyal as mafia members--when the boss takes a fall, they split.

[LynnTheDem]

8. Add: a lot more population. and, unlike Iraq, very powerful friends.

An invasion and occupation attempt by the US of Iran would make 'Nam look like a cakewalk in all ways, bodycount included.

[doublethink]

14. Somehow I think these fools are ........

planning this and are only really concerned with occupying the Oil Fields, believing Iran will also somehow bogg itself down in a Civil War of somekind. But who really knows what these idiots are thinking. Bush and co. are madmen. :freak:

[LynnTheDem]

15. Well all I can say is, don't let any loved ones join up. Coz if US goes

into Iran, it's gonna make 'Nam look like a cakewalk.

[paparush]

6. I was thinking the same about Syria..

last week during "Operation Matador" (love tha name) that took place near the Syrian border. I was expecting an 'incident' involving the US Marines, but none materialized.

[yurbud]

11. Syria avoided bait in Lebanon

[clem_c_rock]

10. DON'T FORGET THE DRAFT! - This would be all they need to kick it off

This has been my prediction from the beginning.

A gulf of Tonkin episode would be so easy especially if it was an "attack" on an Israeli ship.

Then Viola! Instant war - Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Germany, France, China, Brazil implement their contingency plan of a quick switch to the Euro and BOOM! - Amurcans say hello to the 3rd world! No jobs? Well you can always fight in the PNAC war!

At least it's a paycheck. Sorry-if you get your leg blown off - You'll just have to pay for that yourself.

Don't forget to put that "Support the Troops" ribbon on your horse drawn cart - SUCKER!!!

[yurbud]

12. I don't see today's kids going along with draft

not out of ideological reasons, but simply because they don't have any reason to respect authority that much.

[clem_c_rock]

13. Uh - but they did during Vietnam

When people were far less authority ass kissers than they are today.

I can't think of a time when people were so complacent in my life.

[LynnTheDem]

16. But I bet we'd hit 58,000 US dead within 6 months of an attempt to

invade & occupy Iran. Americans aren't gonna be complacent with that, I don't think.

But WHY do we have to keep losing lives??? WHY won't people LISTEN to the experts in the first bloody place??? WHY does America so refuse to learn from past mistakes???

ARRRGH!!!