Rove/Plame: My two cents...

[Dawgs]

I think a very simple and important question to ask is, 'Why was Rove talking to the media AT ALL regarding Wilson and his wife?'. If they want to play this game of denying that he actually said her name, then we need to focus on his motive. Obviously, we are all aware what that motive is, but it may be easier to argue with the freeps, and the uninformed, if we just ask this simple question.

Rove is an un-elected high ranking official with the highest security clearance. He is Bush's right hand man and probably knows more of the inner workings of this administration than even Cheney. We can get to Bush if he is forced to deal with Rove.

I don't think many are aware of how big of an impact this could to the administration. We must never let this die. Thankfully, we don't have to rely on the media to move this forward... the investigation will do it for us.

Also, we also need to keep everyone informed of Wilson's and his wife's role in the government, especially in regards to terrorism. Most Americans don't know because they don't follow politics. I think it's important for them to see the link between what Rove did and the fight against terrorism. My wife is always asking me about Rove and what he did, and she probably follows politics more than most.

[RethugAssKicker]

1. I've been away and missed this story

Could anyone (in a nutshell) explain whats going on?

[SteppingRazor]

2. Believe it or not,m Howard Kurtz sums it up pretty well --

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/07/12/BL2005071200330.html

[grumpy old fart]

4. here's the skinny...

Wilson is sent to Niger by the WH to explore the story that Iraq is acquiring enriched uranium (yellow cake) to make nuclear weapons. Wilson goes to Niger, finds no evidence thereof, and reports this to WH. Since Wilson is not following the script, they ignore his report and proceed to pass on the Niger lie in the State of the Union address. Wilson writes an OP/ED for the NYT stating the true Niger facts, in contradiction of the WH.
In an attempt to discredit Wilson, the WH leaks that Wilson's wife (Plame) is CIA operative (Working on anti WMD efforts) and arranged for Wilson to take the Niger assignment, implying that Wilson/Plame had their own agenda.
Knowingly outing a covert CIA agent is treason
All WH higher ups (Rove, Libby, Card, et al) denied any connection with the outing of Plame. We now know for certain, at least, that Rove lied about not having any such involvement.

Have I got this about right?

[rateyes]

7. Got it right! eom

[RethugAssKicker]

8. Thanks guys...

Lets get the bastard!

[demo dutch]

3. When is the press connecting the dots between Plume, Rove& the "Memos"

The memo's reveals that the administration "fixes the intelligence around the policy", to make the case for war in Iraq based on WMD's, Wilson upsets the WMD myth and thus case for war in Iraq.
Rove reveals Plume's name in order to continue the case for war!
It so simple!

[rateyes]

5. BINGO!

All of this is about justifying and unjustifiable war, and Rove/Cheney/Bush/Rice/Rumsfeld/Novak/Wolfowitz/Ashcroft/hell the whole damn cabinet...is culpable--IMVHO.

[demo dutch]

6. Bingo indeed, but where is the press?!

[RethugAssKicker]

9. in the pockets of the WH

[rateyes]

10. Well, if yesterday's Whitewash House Press Conference..

means anything, then maybe the WH has finally pissed off the press corp by allowing Miller to go to jail, to the point that they will finally start asking the hardball questions. I can only hope.

[oasis]

15. Miller's in cahoots with Rove and the Bushies. She helped sell the war.

Her nestegg will be intact when she gets out.

[rateyes]

18. I don't disagree with that..

and IMO, in jail is where she ought to be right now. But, I don't think the WH press corp likes it, and that's why they are so pissed off, wanting Rove's head on a platter.

[melissinha]

11. i think this is the excuse

THey are saying that Rove incidentally, in passing, mentioned that Wilson's wife is CIA.... so they can basically say he didn't "knowingly" disclose her identity. Even if he didn't disclose her name... one would jsut have to connect the dots follow/investigate Wilson and KABLAM... its Valerie PLame.


Now here is what I say in response, it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the President and his staff to be up to date on protocol, so I don't buy this... they know full well what intelligence security is.... hell they've touted the supposed credibility and the difficult job that intelligence entails.... I don't know how many Confidentiality Agreements I have signed, and I'm a Nobody. There is just no excuse like you say... what business does Rove have with the Press.... and furthermore...


what else is Rove feeding to the media? This certainly is not his only meeting with them, but in what context did this come up... and what else has he given to them on other occasions?

[sam sarrha]

14. outing a CIA operation isnt even good gossop.. it was to stop the search

for WMDs, #1 there werent any in Iraq, but the search would have led to Chaneys profiteering..

the purpose was to stop the investigation she was assigned to do.

the dis-information diverts the attention to Rove away from Chaney...

see the link i my other post... it is a F'n Chess Game.

if their lips are moving they are lying..:shrug:

[Toots]

16. How would Rove know that bit of Classified information?

Plame was an undercover covert CIA Agent. That fact was Classified information. I would think it pretty strange that rove had access to that bit of information. How would he know Wilson had a wife working at the CIA? Even if he didn't name her by name how did he even know she existed? Rove had no Classified Clearence yet seemed to be aware of a lot of classified information. HOW?

[Dawgs]

17. Rove has the highest security clearance...

I'm not sure where you heard he didn't, but I think it's a fact that he does.

[Toots]

19. Now he does but not back then

Now he is officially part of the Bush* Administration. assistant chief of staff i believe. Back then all he was, was a political advisor. No official government title and no Classified Clearance NONE.

[melissinha]

22. Very good question

this question must me answered. But I still maintain that the plain act of an administration official speaking with the media regarding security issues lends a level of culpability.

So which is it.. he had security clearance and what does that entail? Or who told HIM?

[sam sarrha]

12. Dont ever think Chaney isn't TOP Dawg.. here is some proof..Link>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x66773

and the title 'American Judas'.. is PERFECT !! profiteering on War..they he started.!! he has at least..433,333 unexercised Halliburton stock shares and could profit greatly from not only starting the war but even more by keeping it going.. D3

the story goes he was profiteering from the distribution of the WMD's
plames agency was searching for and that is why her operation was shut down

the story is also that he could have probably stopped the North Koreans, pakistan, Iran and Libia from acquiring nuclear technology from what was referred to as a Nuclear Walmart... that went on for years... but he didnt

i thiink Rove is just another patsy for Chaney...just like the Village Idiot

[whatever4]

13. Meaningful too is what happened to her "operation"

I don't have a good link, but also meaningful in terms of treason, is what was done to the her spy network. From what I understand, the treason did real and tangible damage to actual "war on terrorism" spying for intelligence activities. The rumors I've heard indicate her entire operation was "rolled up", and that operatives DIED.

This is old news, it came out, gee, two years ago? I think casual digging around the internet could probably provide the details better than I could, if there is any doubt as to the truth of the damage to national security and deaths that resulted. Do research, believe or don't believe. Just don't ignore it.

People loyal to our nation and willing to risk their lives DIED because of what Rove did. This story absolutely is NOT some silly drummed up case of indiscretion, not a silly rule that was broken. This is not just a political issue leaked to the press. This was, in all reality, murder, in the end. NOT an ACCIDENT. It was treason, plain and simple. And people died.

People trying to defend our nation, defend ALL of us, right or wrong...died.

[melissinha]

23. Absolutely

I think its "almost" treasonous of the MSM to just get caught up in the technicalities presented by Rove's lawyer.... I mean there were REAL consequences as a result of this so called "indiscretion".

We must also keep alive the context of the forged yellow cake uranium reports and the revelation by Joe Wilson with respect to the bogus claims by the administration that they should not be held accountable for supposed faulty information. This is a KEY to the conspiracy that ties together the intention to present false information as opposed the "we didn't know at the time" BS.

[TWiley]

20. Where the hell has Novak been in all of this?

Why not send him to Abu-Grehub and let his frat brothers ask him a few simple questions?

[high density]

21. Today CBS News reported ...

that Rove was talking to Cooper to discourage the printing of "bad information." After showing a few of Scott McClellan's denials from yesterday, Bill Plante said the "White House, at worst, looks stupid" if it turns out that Rove isn't a target of the investigation. (No explanation from CBS News as to why he wouldn't be a target of the investigation?) To watch the clip, go here and view the video named "Furor Over Alleged Rove Role."