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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:18 PM
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Words of Bush #1 when he fired rove for leaking to Novak...the first time
"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors." - George H.W. Bush, April 26, 1999.

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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:19 PM
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1. i didn't think that was a referrence to rove, was it?
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:20 PM
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3. No...but it was for...
a leak, and it was with novakula.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:23 PM
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7. i think he fired rove for leaking to novak...
but this quote is not about that, is it?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:24 PM
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8. I think he was talking about Philip Agee
Former CIA agent and author of "Inside the Company".

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:20 PM
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2. I don't think that quote had anything to do with HW Bush's firing of Rove
It is an accurate quote, but an inaccurate context.

I mean . . .he did say it, but not pertaining to his firing of Rove.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:23 PM
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6. So why did Bush#1 fire KKKarl Rove?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:32 PM
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16. He did fire him for leaking a story to Novak, but I don't believe that
quote was related.

As the Houston Chronicle put it:

"Rove fired from Bush Sr's '92 campaign over leak to Novak. Karl Rove was fired from the 1992 re-election campaign of Bush Sr. for allegedly leaking a negative story about Bush loyalist/fundraiser Robert Mosbacher to Novak. Novak's piece described a meeting organized by then-Senator Phil Gramm at which Mosbacher was relieved of his duties as state campaign manager because "the president's re-election effort in Texas has been a bust." Rove was fired after Mosbacher fingered him as Novak's source."

(Sources: "Karl and Bob: a leaky history," Houston Chronicle, Nov. 7, 2003, ; "Genius," Texas Monthly, March 2003, p. 82; "Why Are These Men Laughing," Esquire, January 2003)

As you can see, the quote doesn't quite fit the context of Rove's firing by Poppy.

So, as I said, Poppy said that, but I don't think it was in connection to Rove.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:21 PM
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4. Holy shit, a repeat offender......
...."Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors." - George H.W. Bush, April 26, 1999.

Hot damn! This guy is going down. How the f*ck did shrub take on Karl Rove after his own Pappy took the little sneak to the woodshed and whipped Rove's ass big time? KKKarl needs to be sent away for treason.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:22 PM
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5. You know what?
someone who has the time, the next time ashington journal discusses Rove should ask on air, why poppy fired rove the first time.....all innocent like.



i'm gonna try and if i don't make it i'll willingly back up anyone who does, if i hear it.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:26 PM
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12. Here is a link to blog discussion about this topic from back in 2003
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:31 PM
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14. Thanks for the background -
my intention tho is to use naivete as a tool to get the word out to those that watch Wash. Journal.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:24 PM
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9. Rove worked for Bush Sr, too?
I didn't know that... WTF was his job? :shrug:
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:25 PM
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10. He was one of Lee Atwater's ratfuckers
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:25 PM
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11. rush must have forgetten these words in his broadcast today
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:28 PM
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13. This post is a little misleading....
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 03:28 PM by crispini
The GWB quote is not about KKKarl's previous episode of leaking, which had nothing to do with blowing the cover of any spies. Here:

Perhaps the closest parallel to the current controversy over the outing of the CIA official occurred more than a decade ago.

In that political dustup, a newspaper columnist wrote a damaging piece in 1992 about Rove political rivals within the Texas Republican Party. Although Mr. Rove denied that he was the leaker, Republican leaders believed he was responsible and canceled his direct-mail contract with the Texas GOP.

The columnist in that episode, as in the Valerie Plame case, was Robert Novak.


From....

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/news/nation/stories/071305dntexoldrove.11c053e.html

OP, I recommend you edit your subject line.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:32 PM
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15. Rove, the child of non-political, disinterested parents....
... was actively voicing support for Nixon.

<snip>
Volume 3, Number 6
October, 2004
The Man behind the Cowboy: Karl Rove Revealed
Katie McCulloch '06

There are three things to know about Karl Rove. The first is that, as the mastermind of Bush’s campaign for re-election, he is one of the most powerful men in Washington. The second is that he is extremely good at what he does — the President calls him “the boy genius,” which is an apt title for this political wunderkind. The third and most important fact about Rove is that he operates with complete freedom from moral or ethical constraints, and under his watchful eye, dirty deeds have been done dirt cheap by and for the Republicans.

Though Rove has only recently become as well known as he is to the general public, he has been on the political scene for a long time. At the tender age of nine, reports Britain’s The Guardian, Rove, the child of non-political, disinterested parents, was actively voicing support for Nixon. The obsession with politics grew and despite having sidestepped the Vietnam draft by enrolling at the University of Utah (like George Bush and Dick Cheney, Rove never actually went to Vietnam), Bush’s advisor failed to obtain a degree. Instead, he transferred to the University of Maryland for a short period of time to be near Washington D.C., where he assumed his position as the president of the national College Republicans. He lasted less than a semester there before he dropped out to devote more time to running campaigns for Republicans at every level across the country.

Even before he officially entered politics, Rove had begun to put to use his powerful and conniving intellect. In 1970, he quietly entered the campaign headquarters of Alan Dixon, the Democrat running for the state treasurer’s office in Illinois. He stole 1,000 leaves of campaign stationary, printed the words “free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing” on them and had these “invitations” distributed throughout Chicago’s red light district. Needless to say, Dixon was surprised by the quantity and quality of the turnout at his next fancy, upper-class reception.

<snip>
Rove may be able to sidestep this new charge, as he has done so often in the past, for it has always been hard to implicate him in political scandal. The reason that Rove met George H.W. Bush in 1977 was that he was involved in a program designed to teach Young Republicans how to organize successful campaigns. It had come to the public’s attention that the focus of his lectures was, to put it simply, on how to bend or break laws and not get caught. The Republican National Committee called in Bush, Sr. to investigate , and he solved the problem by appointing Rove to his personal staff and firing his partner, who took the heat for the charges of misbehavior. Soon after, Rove met George Walker Bush, and he has been running campaigns for the family ever since.

<more>
<link>
http://www.princeton.edu/~in/oct04/mcculloch.htm
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:34 PM
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17. Sorry.....you are right
The quote doesn't match the rove firing.....my bad
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 03:39 PM
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18. Don't feel bad, the quote is still pretty damning :)
Your only mistake is mixing up the context.

Don't worry about it :)
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