How long do you guys think Hillary spent on the GTA??

[KarenInMA]

What a..day? A week?

Senators do a ton of boring stuff, or stuff that most people don't find important. Do you guys REALLY think Hillary Clinton looked at her desk, and said, "hmm.. I could come up with a magical balanced budget and the smoking gun that will put Bush in jail, or I could focus on video games."

Maybe, just maybe, she can focus on more than one thing at a time.

We need to stop attacking out own side for doing their jobs!

[name not needed]

1. So I need to support her every move just because she's not a neocon?

[KarenInMA]

4. no, not at all.

but people are freaking out because she's "wasting her time" on this. Hillary isn't some sort of supersenator with a shiny gold lasso who only works on important and sexy issues. Sometimes, she probably puts riders on budget bills, and re evaluates tax levels.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. Something else to think about:

How do we know she didn't get a bunch of calls and emails from her constituents about this game? Maybe she is just doing her job by representing the people who elected her.

[CWebster]

11. Wonder how many calls she gets about Iraq?

For her to suggest sending more troops?

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. I would imagine

more than a few.

[Stephist]

3. Stop the Pro Hillary Threads

Don't you know you are tearing the Democratic party asunder with every pro Hillary post?:sarcasm:

[fujiyama]

5. In all honesty

I've never understood any appeal of Hillary. She always struck as me a dull, very calculative politician, lacking even a tenth of the charisma of her husband.

And her video game bullshit is pandering to the highest order. We have labels. Leave it at that.

Oh, and even a minute spent on video game regulation is a waste of time when we're caught in an unjustified war and millions have gone without jobs and healthcare.

Hillary just get back to your real work - like taking back pork to NY state.

[JHB]

24. The Clintons are projection screens...

Since the mid-90's I've said you could group people in three camps, vis-a-vis the Clintons: Foamers, Swooners, and Sane People.

Foamers project everything they want to hate about the 60's, liberals, feminists, baby boomers, politicians, etc. onto Bill & Hillary, demomizing them beyond all reason.

Swooners project everything positive they want to believe about the same things, lionizing them far beyond what they deserve.

As you may suspect from the self-serving name, I count myself as one of the "sane people", who saw them primarily as politicians (and as we've unfortunately discovered, there ARE worse things than politicians), and couldn't understand the intense passions the other groups felt about them (usually inaccurately). Foamers oppoesed Bill at every turn, usually for no better reason than because it opposed Bill. Swooners, wrongly trusting him because he was on "their" side, let him slide on a number of economic, labor, and enviromental issues that they would have fought tooth and nail against any Republican who dared propose the same thing.

It's a little more complex now that they're out of the WH and Hillary is the "active" pol, but there's still a lot of truth in it.

[Jack_DeLeon]

6. I think she like most politicans...

doesnt know what the fuck she is talking about on this issue, but like most all politicians they love to get infront of the camera and give out thier uninformed 2cents worth soundbite.

I really hate those fuckers.

IMO they should keep thier damn traps shut unless they know WTF they are talking about.

[western mass]

7. She's wasting everybody's time...

and focusing media attention on a trivial, non-productive wedge issue. That's attention NOT being paid to any number of things that are truly important.

Good job, Hillary: keep the focus on SEX and entertainment, just where the right-wing media wants it. A good excuse not to cover the latest inconvenient details of the latest Bushco scandal.

How much time she personally spends on this is beside the point.

[Sgent]

8. She is destroying our message of

protection of free speech, freedom for individuals, etc.

She is attacking abortion (right of privacy) when attacking these video games.

I give her no pass, when you act like a fund christian, you get treated like one (at least on this issue).

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. She made her agenda clear

when she wrote her book It Takes a Village. Her stance on this video game goes right along with the themes in that book.

Some of the people here on DU are starting to sound like Santorum when they attack Hillary. It's beyond silly.

Now you compare this to abortion?? Yeah, right. :eyes:

[bryant69]

15. That's total crap

She is attacking right to privacy by attacking these games? I need to go read her speech.

But there is a difference between saying something is wrong and saying somethng should be illegal. I, for example, think that cheating on your spouse or significant other is terribly immoral. It's a betrayal of the worst kind. Does that mean I favor putting cameras in everybodies bedrooms to make sure they don't cheat? Of course not. It just means I wish people would decide not to cheat on their spouses or signficant others.

By the same token I wish that people who choose to play these games would choose to play other games. I wish the people who make these games would make other, better, games. But that doesn't mean i'm in favor of government coercion to make this happen.

Bryant
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[Deja Q]

9. So we can condone our side for doing the same thing the other side does?

Yet we bash them? (assuming they do the same thing.)

Sorry. If I disagree with what one of our elected officials does, I'm going to say it. And I don't care if I'd otherwise respect the person.

While there may be a legitimate debate over violent filth like GTA, let's face it: There are FAR MORE PRESSING issues and Hilly there is wastin' our time and tax money, not to mention her own, by ignoring the more important issues.

Unless she was paid handsomly by some special interest group, of course... In which case she's not wasting their time or money...

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. It's one thing to disagree with a stance on ONE issue

It's quite another to dramatically declare that you can NEVER support her again, that she has betrayed our trust, that this issue is the same as abortion, etc. and to further that agenda by posting an ad nausem number of Hillary bashing threads. No wonder the other side calls us losers.

(I am not accusing YOU of this, Hypno, just pointing out that the I hate Hillary crowd is getting on my nerves:) )

I hate to break it to some folks here, but lives won't be ruined if a few extra stickers are placed on video games.

[CWebster]

10. More like for not doing their jobs.

If she is entertaining expectations of running for president she better address the big issues and not just this concerned ladies of the community stuff.

I guess the paperwork on Bush's desk prevents him from doing his job too. What a lame cover.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Just enough time to pander to the right..some more.

The usual DLC tripe of "reaching out to the middle", which translates to becoming Republican.

[ikri]

17. Hillary screwed up big time with GTA

She could have tried to frame an argument about parental responsibility and ensuring that through fair pay parents actually get the chance to spend time with their kids.

Instead she framed an argument that seems to have come out as:
SEX! Run for the hills!

It was a fantastic opportunity to put forward progressive messages about how low pay and poor working conditions force parents to spend every waking hour at work instead of looking after their kids. She blew it badly and probably lost a huge proportion of 18-24 y/o males for the 2008 elections thanks to that (if you believe that the right-wing won't beat up on her for this in an election year you're deluded).

[Lannes]

18. She in bunting when she should be trying to go for extra bases

GTA is easy because she knows the right isnt going to slam her for it.I want to see her do more than nod her head in agreement when Kerry says that Rove should be fired.She needs to be more vocal about issues that concern us,that are more important than fing GTA.

[Spider Jerusalem]

19. However long it was, it was TOO long.

And she's not "doing her job". I don't care what side she's on, any politician who is engaging in idiotic grandstanding needs to be called on it.

[Connie_Corleone]

20. Some people here are spending more time talking about GTA

than Hillary.

[Bucky]

21. If I ever meet her, I'll look at her thumbs for tell-tale gamer callouses

Also if she jacks a car and guns down some cops, I think it would be another sign she spent too long playing GTA.

[DS1]

22. That's still going on?

Sheesh

[Sgent]

23. I'll be the devils advocate here

Someone explain to me why restricting video games is not the same as library books, etc. How is it not a right of privacy if me (at 30) can't buy what I want to?

Is it the same as abortion? No. It is however on that slope. Someone wants to control what I think, what I do for entertainment, and what I do in my home. They want to control which authors and artists I buy from, and what those people produce.

So when a Democrat, a supposed defender of freedom and champion of privacy and free speach, comes out against it, it splits our message.

As a former republican, this was one of the most frustrating things for me -- which party was being more moralistic and controling of private people and their daily lives.