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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:02 PM
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is the republican party racist ?
do you think a big part of what attracts some to the republican party is racism ? i have been thinking of this for some time. id on't think all republicans are racist. but overall i think the party is a place for racists and other bigots like anti gays.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:03 PM
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:09 PM
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4. Thank you,
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:03 PM
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1. Absolutely, no question, YES!!!
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:07 PM
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2. It appears to be obvious
I actually attended a Bush speech in my hometown back in 2002, mostly out of curiousity. During the 4 hour wait to get inside, I took a good long look at the crowd demographics-99% white-a very small sampling of African-Americans and Asians. And I doubt many of them were gay.
My friends gave me such crap for even going. At least I booed real loud!
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:08 PM
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3. yes
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yes.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:14 PM
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5. By definition, yes -- emphatically.
Haven't you heard/read their screeds on affirmative action, immigration laws, "welfare addicts," the "homosexual agenda," the bankruptcy of cultural diversity, the violence "inherent" in Islam?

Salome herself never wore a veil so thin.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:17 PM
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6. Conservatives tend to be white Republicans, no?
n/t
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:39 PM
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15. They keep asking why African-Americans don't vote republican.
Well, there are no black republicans in Congress, nor in the Senate, nor in the Supreme Court, nor in the Executive branch (and cabinet)

Sorry, Thomas, Rice and Powell...I stand corrected, three out of about 800 plus, elected or appointed republican positions...not bad.

Pretty good representation by the republicans for the fifteen million African-American citizens (and how many other minorities are represented in the republican party?)

If your openly gay, forget it. even though 10% of the population is indeed gay.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:31 PM
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20. not just blacks
but other minorities, and jews. also, they use to have the muslim vote because muslims tend to lean conservative but they seem to be losing that because of the party being bigoted. so even when a group of people might agree with them on some issues they are alienated from the party because of it's bigotry.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:29 AM
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34. I think I said that...
"(and how many other minorities are represented in the republican party?)"
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im4edwards Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:34 PM
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21. black are an expanding demographic for them
need to watch for obsolete generalities.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:37 PM
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22. yeah, from ten to twenty
:eyes:
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im4edwards Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:00 AM
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31. make fun if you like
but Sharpton isn't taking it lightly. He noticed this and its behind his demands that the party start treating this base with the respect that their numbers deserve.

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:17 PM
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7. Yes!
Next question?

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:20 PM
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8. I don't think you can throw that blanket over all of them
Having said that, however, with the likes of Limbaugh and Falwell gathering the racists and homophobes together and bringing them into their tent - that becomes the perception.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:29 PM
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12. Emphatically YES!
I know it and so do they. I think they are evil enough to destroy the whole earth to get their way.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:22 PM
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9. Absolutely 100% racist.
It's at the heart of evry policy that they have either suggested or imposed.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:23 PM
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10. Definitely. Troll FR and you will see it
Edited on Tue Sep-30-03 09:24 PM by caledesi
They use words like "fag" "towelhead", always talking about how Kerry looks "French"....just what the hell does that mean?

And don't forget all those "welfare mothers" - their code for Afro-Americans.

They are bigots - plain and simple.

Edit: Typo
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:28 PM
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11. It depends
First of all I don't think the entire Republican Party is racist. However, that being said, it is fact that a large base of today's modern Republican Party--I would say around 25-40%--derives its support from former white Democrats in the South who joined the GOP over issues such as race and civil rights. That is not in doubt.

Furthermore, since the late 1960s, the GOP has systematically run campaigns with overt racial overtones. The Willie Horton Ad and the commercials used against Harvey Gantt come to mind.

That being said there are some Republicans who have tried to reach out to African-Americans and other minorities. Jack Kemp is one who comes to mind.

So I think that it depends. Not all Republicans are racist, but a large enough share of the base is that this becomes an issue.
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:24 AM
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32. Well said, Carlos - Good post! N/T
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:29 PM
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13. I don't like generalizations.
But I do think a great deal of conservatives are racists.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:30 PM
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14. The dixiecrats were dumped from the Democratic party...
by President _______ (I am guessing truman). The pukes took them with open arms.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:47 PM
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18. You mean LBJ
Truamn dumped them by intergrating the military. But it was LBJ that opened the floodgates when he signed the civil rights acts in the 1960s.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:38 PM
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23. Thanks,
I couldn't remember the end of that story.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:40 PM
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16. yes
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:41 PM
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17. Sort of...
The billionaires who run the party by and large couldn't give a damn about color (or much else other than protecting their own fortunes); they tend to be all-white because they are all about patriarchy - keeping that money in the family for generations.

Their minions, however, have been expertly trained to believe that the "nigra" is going to steal their job, rob their house, and rape their daughter, and the only way to stay safe is to vote for Massa, who will in turn reward them (with crumbs from the table at best) for their loyalty.

Their party is dead without hate and fear.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:50 PM
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19. Do bears shit in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic?, etc., etc., etc...
And they rationalize their racism with religion, economics, anything they possibly can.
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im4edwards Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:38 PM
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24. maybe a little moreso than any other party
for what I've see pass for a definition of it posted around here, its pretty widespread.

Shoot, there was an embarassing thread around here the other day making fun of names being given to kids based on materialistic possessions. That was about as thinkly veiled a racist thread as I could imagine and I told them how uncalled for I thought it was. Naturally I was made fun of.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:46 PM
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29. true, we aren't perfect, but
i do see the republican party as being accepting and actually existing for bigoted people. the democratic party isn't perfect, but we still debate the issues and do NOT ACCEPT things as they are when we know it's wrong. such as affirmative action. there had been some debates on here on the issue with some being opposed to it, but they were willing to listen and hear the other side.
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im4edwards Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:50 PM
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30. could be but I think they're mostly just concerned with money
they don't like anything that would appear to interfere with their money be it taxes, regulations or whathaveyou.

While its an easy dovetail, it looks mostly like a money thing to me.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:20 AM
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35. taxes, regulations...
laws, democracy, justice, common sense, common decency....

I'm glad you're aware of racism within the Democratic Party and among the base, but pound for pound there's just no comparison to the Republicans.

Your guy, for instance, is taking the right position on the Confederate flag. He doesn't back down. And on affirmative action. And on some criminal justice issues (I disagree with his stance on the death penalty because a totally unbiased administration of the death penalty is just not on the horizon--but he's better than the Republicans, no doubt.) He even talks about funding HBCUs--Well, so did the Shrub, but of course he hasn't delivered. Edwards seems more likely to come through.

And what was that about a Spanish/English 24 hour translation service for hospitals. Hey! That's something to shout about.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:39 PM
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25. yes nt
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:39 PM
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26. What did JC Watt's father say on Larry King?
"A black man voting for a Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders."
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:44 PM
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27. Not all republicans are racists but
that said I can honestly say that a number of people I know who are very outspoken republicans are people who are not comfortable with anyone different....

By different I mean, different color, ethnic heritage, religion..etc....
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 11:45 PM
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28. I thought you were goign to give us a syllogism
"Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists are Republicans."
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:27 AM
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33. hee hee...nope
unfortunately I have met racist democrats.... sad but true.
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