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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:32 AM
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Hillary Clinton better get on-board
The Peace Train is leaving the station. I will support anyone who was wrong up to now, if they see the light and sing a new song. Time has run out....and if they don't change their tune, I won't support them.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:35 AM
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1. Too late
Don't you think that it would be great to have a someone that ALREADY on board. Any change in policy is suspect now.

She was so willing to sacrifice our privacy, proudly standing next to Bill Frist, wanting us to get on board with "their" plans to get us all electronic chips (yes, similar to the ones we use in our pets)....

Just say NO to centerist/republican Hillary.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:35 AM
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2. she's stuck in traffic
...not even close to the station.
She's done. Bill has a better shot than she does - and that in itself is a very, very long shot.
Hillary should be our poster child for cowards, repug sympathizers, and chickenhawk wannabees.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:53 AM
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8. I agree with you about Hillary, but Bill just could have a real good
chance...I really was a Bill fan, but lately his hanging around with the bush bunch has given me the creeps..I think that Bill could have a chance because of the economy, he does know how to handle that very well.
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buzzsaw_23 Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:35 AM
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3. She is on board
once you know who is driving the train. She has been for quite some time. Hilary's father was quite a conservative Republican. She is too.

Forget about Hilary. Render her obsolete. The people must do this themselves.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:40 AM
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4. You beat me to this post. I think Hillary is toast come 08' because
she is so far away from the Democratic base on the war and how to get out. She played the wrong hand, stuck to it and now she is toast.

All any candidate will have to do is play a commercial with Cindy Sheehan nailing her Iraq policy and she will drop like a rock!
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sando Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:46 AM
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7. She was toast before the war
She voted for the Patriot Act...she has basically been a GOP lackey since taking her seat in the Senate. But primarily the DNC wouldn't let her near a nomination based on their fear she couldn't pull off the election which is really the reason for her doing what she's done. She's trying to show the National Party she can be a good little GOP appeaser and actually have a real shot at the White House.
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Godai Kyoko Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:41 AM
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5. She has been good for the repug agenda, hasn't she?
I mean, she killed single payer dead for at least 16 years, she got a Repug congress, she got that Welfare reform in, her votes on judges are almost never the marginal vote, and they are mostly petty little vendetta plays that mean nothing to anybody but her. (Don't think the Freepers don't notice and chuckle over them)

I agree it is time to abandon that worn out baggage,
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:41 AM
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6. I think she will start to slide slightly left in the months ahead
...essentially, following the lead of her constituents. She has very good instincts. She needed to trend right for two reasons--first, to secure a seat on the Senate Armed Services Committee (first ever for NY) and also to respond to 911, which hit her state hard.

She will either move left enough to resonate, or she won't.

She is not the only candidate on offer, though the lamestream media would have us believing that.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 11:58 AM
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9. I agree - and timing - if you want to accomplish change - is important
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 11:58 AM by papau
Hillary has an ear for the right timing of for a demand to get out of Irag "now" -

and now is not the right time unless you want the media and your fellow Senators to avoid you.

I love Conyers and praise him for what he is doing - but I want real results after a Hillary comes on board.

By the way, why do a few folks on the board pretend that Hillary is a stay in Iraq/get the oil GOPer when there is no evidence that she is? I guess Hillary bashing is fun for some.

In any case, as you said, She is not the only candidate on offer.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:17 PM
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10. right timing? give me a break...the peace train has left the station
sure, she's welcome on board but dont you want your leaders to be a bit ahead of the curve? even if she is playing in the opponents home court?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:24 PM
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11. I do not know the answer to your question, but I never thought that
she was a lockstep rightie. She does believe in a strong defense, but hey, so do I. I don't go for adventurism, the grabbing of resources from others, and needless waste of life, but if the enemy is at the gate, I would like a prepared, professional military to call on.

Some folks don't feel comfortable with strong women--that could be part of it, too. I think we need to get past all that, which is why I would love to impeach both monkey and the Dick after the O6 elections, after the new House is seated, and install Speaker Pelosi as President, after which she selects Rep. Conyers as her VP. Then, in one interim administration, we get rid of TWO glass ceilings, and we can start looking at candidates based on their IDEAS, as opposed to their gender, color, or some other silly thing that isn't on the standard political checklist!

I like Hillary because she is smart, too. And she is willing to work the long hours. We have too many politicians, like the Commander in Thief, who think that work should be balanced in equal or more measure with vacations.

But 08 is a ways away...and lots can happen between now and then.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:54 PM
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14. I agree - and I also like Hillary - and I think "defense" is a hot button
issue that the GOP loves to twist with the help of their media friends - so she MUST project a "I believe in a strong defense" - and indeed, she, like myself, do believe in a strong defense.

And I doubt any of us believe Bush's actions have made us stronger or safer - but the words we use to say that will be twisted by the media - it is a difficult communications job that is ahead for any Democratic Party candidate for President.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:24 PM
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12. Why Hillary? Why not DeLay, Hastert, Blunt?
Why not any Democrat? Hillary will always have my support. I hope she is the first female President. I think it's going to take a very, very strong person to get us out of this mess and I can't think of anyone stronger or a greater fighter for the people to get us on track again.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 12:45 PM
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13. The others, too but I always saw Hillary as moral
I really believed she cared about lives, children, health care. Remember the African women who walked barefooted in the sun to see her. I think morality should have a constancy about it focusing on love, caring, helping....not a killing machine. Can you imagine a war that Ghandi or the Dali Lama would have okayed?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:30 PM
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15. I prefer the leader be out in front
You know, leading. I'm sorry to say but most of our so called leaders are actually followers. Is it wrong to label someone a leader when all they do is follow?

How can anyone expect a politician to be a leader? What politicians do is get elected. Don't expect real 'leadership' from those that consume a majority of their time seeking money to get elected.

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Toasted_Halo Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:19 PM
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16. She will!
She's not stupid.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:30 PM
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17. The Dems have McGovern nightmares
anytime someone talks about peace. Sorry to say , they could be right. Hillary is a follower, not a leader.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:38 PM
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18. I do believe she is a leader
and I do believe she is very informed. Some say we don't need a smart president and that may be true but we certainly need one who is informed and is a worker and she certainly falls into that category.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:46 PM
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19. DLC is not leading
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 02:47 PM by mitchtv
they are following Republicans
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