The most obvious lie of all....why is it being ignored in the media?

[julka]

from Conason yesterday:

| A "darn good" quote that almost nobody quoted
"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."

snip

Now a presidential statement so frontally at variance with the universally acknowledged facts obviously presents a problem for the White House press corps. He wasn't joking, and he didn't sound disoriented or unwell. Although Dana Priest and Dana Milbank wrote the story as delicately as they possibly could, they couldn't make it seem less weird.....

"The president's assertion that the war began because Iraq did not admit inspectors appeared to contradict the events leading up to war this spring: Hussein had, in fact, admitted the inspectors and Bush had opposed extending their work because he did not believe them effective."

see it here, but prepare to click through a LOT to get a day pass
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/07/15/bush/

did I miss the discussion of this today? couldn't find it.

how much easier does * have to make it on the media?

are they just going to completely ignore this gigantic 'faux pas?'

[Terwilliger]

1. have you heard *anything* about the "bring 'em on" comment?

Nope.

[clarkbarr]

4. What do you expect?

The WHORE PRESS is marching in lockstep with the 4th Reich!

[julka]

5. there was a lot more discussion of that one than there has been of this

I've only heard Begala bring it up on Xfire the other day, but he let it drop.

I've watched a LOT of other shows, and haven't heard it mentioned even one other time, and have seen only a small handful of stories online.....nothing in the mainstream.

nothing here today, as of late........haven't gone back too far on the threads, so maybe it's slowed down.

BUT, for chrissake, how much WORSE is this than "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman?"

???????????

how many people have DIED for the myriad lies spread by these unnameable creatures?

Slaughtergate

[ward919]

41. The only way to get the message out about the BIG lie is for us to put

it out there. We must wedge ourselves between the BIG corporate media and the people. We have to keep sending our letters to the editors of our local newspapers, keep hounding Congress with letters, faxes, and phone calls; keep pressing the talk radio and TV shows. All we have to do when given the opportunity is to raise the question about the issue that we want the public to know about--in this case the lie that Saddam did not let the inspectors in.

Repeat after me: "IF IT IS TO BE, IT'S UP TO ME!"

[Rose Siding]

2. The WP had it

and it was up yesterday a couple of times, I think-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56336-2003Jul14.html

also Newsday did a report later in the day.

[Frances]

3. I have wondered this as well

Bush should be held accountable for the quote.

To me it sounds as though Bush actually believes what he is saying.

And since what he is saying is demonstrably false (the whole world saw this unfolding on television), I can only conclude that truly Bush "cannot think properly" (Mandela's words).

And how is it that the media does not show Bush speaking these words and ask the public what they think.

[w13rd0]

8. We should be allowed to ask him...

...

Mr.Bush, a few days ago, you said that Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in, so you decided to go ahead and "take him out". Are you under the impression that Iraq hadn't admitted inspectors before you decided to launch your pre-emptive invasion and occupation? And if so, do you remember your criticism of the UN inspectors, claiming that they weren't competent and that they didn't need more time? Why do you need more time? Are you not competent? Are you completely detached from reality?

[julka]

9. the only traction that will result is if it plays over and over on TV

and it's not.

has anybody SEEN it, as opposed to read it?

once again, Gore's echo chamber resonates only for the right wing.

I've seen MUCH more of the "Clinton caused the intelligence gap, Clinton lied about Kosovo, Clinton defunded the military" crap in the last two days than ANY mention of this gigantic lie.

what gives?

I haven't seen ONE ONE ONE ONE ONE dem, other than Begala, mention this.

WTF GIVES?????????????????????????????????

I can't STAND this

Achordate Party

Slaughergate

[Boom_cha]

6. the media cut Bush a lot of slack

because they know he has a habit of "misspeaking." Their view is that what he said is so outlandish it couldn't possibly be what he meant, so they don't bother to make an issue out of it. If they did, Ari's replacement would just say, "The president misspoke. What he meant was blah-blah-blah." End of story.

[loyalsister]

11. It's the dummy factor

The soft bigotry of low expectations serves him very well. I say that a history of acting stupid and failing is no excuse to not expect competency regarding knowledge of content regarding the job, at the BAREST MINIMUM from a president!

[wtmusic]

7. He's talking about '98

when Saddam kicked the inspectors out.

Everything he says is designed with an "out" in mind. You're right-- but don't waste your time on that one.

[julka]

10. what are you TALKING about?

Saddam did NOT kick them out!!!!!!!!!!

they were withdrawn in anticipation of the imminent bombardment by WJC.

that's another lie passed into legend by constant pug repetition/media stenography

didn't you know that?

Edit

here

http://www.fair.org/activism/post-expulsions.html

The story centers on the Iraq crisis that broke out on December 16, 1998. Richard Butler, head of the United Nations weapons inspection team in Iraq, had just released a report accusing the Iraqi regime of obstructing U.N. weapons checks. On the basis of that report, President Clinton announced he would launch airstrikes against Iraqi targets. Out of concern for their safety, Butler withdrew his inspectors from Iraq, and the U.S.-British bombing proceeded.

this is one of those stories that makes you wonder why the WashPost can EVER be considered liberal.

they reported things as they happened in the above instance, but then changed things around during the war run-up, and reFUSED to correc their misreporting. read the whole thing at the FAIR link

[wtmusic]

12. What are you talking about?

UNSCOM withdrew its team after having machine gun rounds fired over their heads on approach to an inspection site.

I'd call that getting kicked out.

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein on 5 August 1998 ended all cooperation with UN weapons inspectors. An Iraqi government statement said that "there would be no further cooperation with the UN's Special Commission on Iraq (UNSCOM) or the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) until the following demands were met:"

(1) UNSCOM would be transferred from New York to either Vienna or Geneva. This transfer would "keep UNSCOM away from US influence." (2) The commission's leadership would be dissolved and rebuilt with equal numbers from each of the five permanent Security Council members. (3) The position of UNSCOM's chairman would rotate among the five nations of the Security Council. (4) Iraq would be appointed as an "observer" on the commission. (5) Iraq would be recognized as having complied with all Security Council resolutions.

US State Department officials have taken a "wait and see" attitude. State Department deputy spokesman James Foley said that "we don't have any confirmation at this point that UNSCOM inspections are affected in any way, but it would certainly be a very disturbing development."

http://cns.miis.edu/research/iraq/unabs.htm

The UN resolution requires that Iraq give up all weapons of mass destruction or face "serious consequences". The work of previous inspectors in the 1990s after the Gulf War led to the destruction of many tons of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons and the equipment to make them, and the dismantlement of Iraq's nuclear bomb program.

That inspections regime collapsed in 1998 amid disputes over access to sites and Iraqi complaints that US spies were among the UN inspectors. Those inspectors believed they were unable to find and destroy all of Iraq's illegal weapons.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5605254%255E1702,00.html

Former inspectors say Iraq used many ploys during the first round of U.N. inspections, from 1991 to 1998. Although Iraq destroyed much of its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons equipment and long-range missiles, U.N. inspection reports said Iraq didn't account for everything.

Iraqis fired guns to get inspectors to leave sites, kept them out of buildings while angry mobs attacked them in a parking lot, and were seen taking equipment and records out the back door of facilities when inspectors arrived at the front door.

http://www.examiner.com/headlines/default.jsp?story=n.iraq.1120w

[julka]

13. what are YOU talking about?

read the above link, pls.

if you have support for what you just posted, please support it.

if you're right.....fine

[julka]

14. sorry, I edited that post to inlcude the FAIR link

http://www.fair.org/activism/post-expulsions.html

[wtmusic]

15. see above n/t

x

[julka]

16. I knew all that, but where does it say he KICKED them OUT?

too lazy to read all that stuff

got any quotes that say SADDAM made them leave?

[wtmusic]

17. Bush doesn't say that Saddam made them leave

"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."

Saddam wouldn't let them into the sites, they will say...

I'm not defending him, but that's a slippery one compared to the uranium issue.

[julka]

19. what's with you?

YOU said this, in post #7

"He's talking about '98
when Saddam kicked the inspectors out."

previous poster to me was right.....this is a waste of time.

nice try, though

[wtmusic]

22. nice try to you too n/t

[julka]

24. ok...last one

you SAID Saddam kicked them out.

then you changed course in midstream, just like, I daresay, a, uh pug talking head

if you can show me where Saddam kicked them out, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.

til you do so, I'll pretend you're not here

[wtmusic]

26. last one...is that a promise?

OK if you want to get petty and semantic about it he wouldn't let them in.

I guess they could stay on for a holiday in lovely Iraq while Saddam is shooting at them.

Get real. I'm saying Bush has an out on that one so don't waste your time. Apparently the press as well as Democratic leadership agrees because it was (and is) a non-issue. And if you want to insult me I'd be happy to alert the mods.

[julka]

30. how did I insult you?

scare me.......go ahead and alert the mods. what's your problem?

you still didn't answer the question, now, did you?

show me where Saddam kicked them out, as you asserted in post number 7. that's all I ask.

and I respectfully disagree with your assertion about *'s latest lie.

this should be such an EASY slam dunk to show how he's either a pathological liar, or completely and utterly out of touch with reality.

all they need to do is juxtapose the earlier link, w/Powell's UN quote, or dig one up where he talks about the UN's irrelevance/inadequacy of the inspectors......plenty of those out there.

[wtmusic]

33. 'Kicked them out' is my phrase Julka

and I'm really sorry that I interpreted the Iraqis shooting at us and not letting us into inspection sites as 'kicked us out', but I think it's not unreasonable.

If I understand the whole point of your post is what Bush said, not what I said. Bush said, "We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in." Unfortunately that's true, Julka. It happened in 1998 (see references above). That's where he will take refuge if and when questioned about it.

On "he's either a pathological liar, or completely and utterly out of touch with reality" you will get no argument from me. He's also a slippery bastard and I see the alibi coming a mile away.

[julka]

36. not just your phrase

if you read this, you'll see that my point, which I guess I didn't make, is that the parsing coming out of both the pugs AND the media is typically aimed at muddying the waters, and in the case of the Post, they tried to flush this particular item down the memory hole.

here:

JANUARY 10, 1999
"The Many Policies on Iraq" (Op-Ed)
By Fred Hiatt

"It was because Saddam Hussein kicked out United Nations weapons inspectors that Clinton finally authorized a three-day bombing campaign last month."

JANUARY 16, 1999
"A Pretext for Bombing" (Letter to the Editor)
Jenifer Dixon, Washington, D.C.

"Contrary to Fred Hiatt's assertion that 'it was because Saddam Hussein kicked out United Nations weapons inspectors that Clinton finally authorized a three-day bombing campaign last month,' Iraq did not 'kick out' the inspectors -- nor was it even accused of doing so."

JULY 25, 1999
"Out of Sight, Out of Control" (Op-Ed)
By Fred Hiatt

"It's been nearly a year since United Nations disarmament inspectors could do their jobs in Iraq, and eight months since they were kicked out altogether. The Clinton administration professes little concern, saying it sees no sign that Saddam Hussein is rebuilding his nuclear or poison weapons."

AUGUST 30, 1999
"U.S. Air Raids on Iraq Become an Almost Daily Ritual; As Fighters Retaliate for Threats, Mission Faces Allies' Questions" (News article)
By Roberto Suro

"More than a year has passed since Iraq shut down the U.N. weapons inspection program that President Clinton so often proclaimed essential to keeping the peace, and the administration faces an uphill diplomatic effort to impose a new inspection regime."

SEPTEMBER 16, 1999
"The Impeachment Bombings" (Letter to the Editor)
Sam Husseini, Washington, D.C.

"In 'U.S. Air Raids on Iraq Become an Almost Daily Ritual' , it is asserted that 'more than a year has passed since Iraq shut down the U.N. weapons inspection program that President Clinton so often proclaimed as essential to keeping the peace.' This is inaccurate. The weapons inspection program was shut down when its head, Richard Butler, withdrew the inspectors in December 1998 following the release of a self-contradictory report."

you have a point regarding the harrassment of inspectors, but they were NOT thrown out by Saddam, and the junta routinely used that as a MAJOR component in their ad nauseum arguments about all the broken UN resolutions (we've broken, like TEN times as many), perfidy, intransigence, that made it necessary to make WAR on them. this isn't/wasn't enough, and all the scare tactics/lies show how desperate they were to show that Iraq was an IMMINENT, DIRECT threat to us.....otherwise a pre-emptive strike would be ilLEGAL under international law, which, of course, we only pay any attention to when it serves our purposes.

speaking of which.....how BOUT that guy in Guatemala, running for president again?

sounds like we sent our supreme court down there to help him out!

[Terwilliger]

32. Bush: "The UN inspectors have had enough time" and he knew it was a lie!!!

WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL!

[julka]

34. ha ha ha, ho ho ho, hee hee hee

where is the egg man?

excellent get...much more astute than I; thanks

what're you, a lawyer?

you'd definitely be way better than the demsimpls they wheel out, with a few exceptions, like Katerina van den Heuvel, or however you spell it.

[dmr]

18. Let's be more current -

Below is a part of Colin's Powell's presentation to the UN on February 14, 2003. Powell recognizes the inspectors were there, so why won't Bush*? What does Bush* think the ruckus was about back then between the sane and the insane? To let the inspectors continue to do their job.

- snip -

"I want to express my appreciation to Dr. Blix and Dr. ElBaradei for their presentation this morning. They took up a difficult challenge when they went back into Iraq last fall in pursuit of disarmament, as required by Resolution 1441. And I listened very attentively to all they said this morning and I am pleased that there have been improvements with respect to process. I'm pleased that there have been improvements with respect to not having five minders with each inspector, down to something less than five minders with each inspector. But I think they still are being minded, they are still being watched, they are still being bugged. They still do not have the freedom of access around Iraq that they need to do their job well."

More ....

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17763.htm

[julka]

20. thanks.......reminded me of these two, that have slid away

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=43081

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=43829

[dmr]

21. It angers me that they

lie, cheat, plagerize, commit fraud, rewrite history, or in this case, ignore history - and that is the adoption of the UN Security Council Resolution 1441.

[alaine]

23. If this is redundant, forgive me.

My computer is going slow, don't want to read all the posts.

The press hammered Scott McClellan about it pretty good yesterday in the press briefing, I think it was McClellan's first one but he repeatedly insisted that the president "mis-spoke". Several reporters asked a different version of this question and he said "the president MEANT..." (followed by bogus explanation, blah, blah, blah.) which really pissed me off because I thought what, Scott McClellan, press secretary and presidential translator? To replace Ari the obfuscator?

Then he refused to answer any more questions about it or the uranium and kept repeating "these issues have been addressed". There SHOULD be some stuff in columns about it in the next few days, I hope.

I started a thread about McClellan's responses and got exactly zero responses. I watched the conference live so it wasn't exactly old news. The press is asking the right questions, why it isn't getting into print is probably corporate.

[julka]

25. thank you SO much for that!

http://failureisimpossible.com/

has Xscripts of press conferences, IIRC, and I'm glad you started thata thread, as I was thinking about doing that, too. I mentioned it elsewhere, and only got one response.

he was PATHETIC....like a substitute teacher on his first day in the worst LD/BD school you'd possibly imagine. lots of canned responses, clearly being read off paper. Much stammering, uh, uh, mmmm, uh, well, eruh. amazingly weak.

did you bookmark it so you can bring it back?

if not, why not start another one. McClellan's ineptitude will become an issue, unless he learns QUICKLY

did you see any press mention of how MISerable he was?

please.........

[alaine]

27. I'll go back and kick it up, it shouldn't be too far back.

At this time of nite it might fade away quickly again. I guess everyone wasn't as curious as we were about scary Ari's replacement.

[julka]

29. I almost felt sorry for him.....maybe that's their plan. I heard........

on the radio that the guy is painfully shy, and doesn't like to be on camera, etc. thought it was an innoculation sort of thing.

Ari was SO much fun to loathe.......

even though he's working for the sleaziest, laziest, most craven mouthbreather in political history, it's hard to work up any serious disgust yet. if he gets "better," though, more acclimated, that's an entirely different deal

[alaine]

35. That's what my thread was about, is it an act?

It's on page 20, I decided not to kick it, but I do wonder whether McClellan is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I wrote that I felt it was a p.r. move, about mannerisms and speech patterns. He is the absolute opposite of Ari in that he is succinct and fake-humble in his evasiveness whereas Ari was arrogant and verbose. I have to hand it to repukes, if this one pans out it was a very good move.

Maybe dubya is a true evil genius and has been acting stupid this whole time just so he could establish himself with this reputation enough to get away with telling lies like this and have the press chalk it up to stupidity. Because I can just hear the editors now "Oh c'mon, this isn't news, we all know the guy is a living breathing moron, get real." So they won't accuse him of lying and will just chalk it up to another "Dubyaism." Nevermind that he is the most powerful man on the planet, we still have to make allowances for our little georgie and his quirky little ways. Mmmm-Hmmmm.

[julka]

37. McClellan needs to be discussed, and somebody will bring him up

why not bump your thread, or copy it here?

it fits right in.

[alaine]

38. Okay, I'll do it.

Rejection hurts, but I'll do it for you.

[julka]

39. I know.......every time I start a thread, I say it'll be the last, cause..

they just don't appreciate my keen insignt

Mais, je ne m'inquiete pas ce que d'autres pensent de mon travail. je fait parce que je dois!

did that make any sense, alaine?

[grasswire]

28. I saw several clips....

....of that stupid remark of his, and watched several people comment on it. I watch MSNBC and CNN, but can't remember when or where I saw it played. Bill Press might have picked up on it.

I think perhaps people are just stunned by the ignorance. He doesn't have a CLUE what's happened or happening.

I don't think the nuclear codes should be provided to him.

[julka]

31. today?

press came on late today, and I only saw part of it.

Xfire had it on yesterday, I think, but Begala dropped it.

point is, the dems should be BRAYING this at every opportunity.

they don't do talking points like the pugs, who've latched onto the WJC lied re: Kosovo, and that he emptied the coffers for the CIA, DIA, NSA, etc., as well as the DOD budget.

the dems STILL haven't learned to keep on the attack. pugs NEVER seem to be on the defensive.

they need to LAUGH in their faces, say how riDICulous their deflections are (especially when they bring clinton in on it), and concentrate on how UNSAFE * and his cronies are making it for us, how inCOMpetent they are.

THEN, they can mention what huge LIARS they are.

[JohnyCanuck]

40. I like to think the "football"

that accompanies Shrubenfuhrer around is just a dummy briefecase with a few knobs and buttons that don't really do anything. The real "football" is with big Dickster in his undergrond command centre/chamber of horrors.

[julka]

42. mara lie lie liasson just mentioned it today on morning edition

she played the snip, then said he was engaging in "revisionist history" of his own!

they just reFUSE to call it what it is.

and Imus, with Russert, on BSGOP, just said that he didn't think "the President would lie, but Cheney would, in a heartbeat!"

just said that "it all boils down to what the president knew and when he knew it"

OR what "pork chop boy" knew, referring to Cheney. he then called him "rump roast boy"

so he can't decide, implicitly, whether the chimp knew, therefor LIED, or is too incompetent to be included in the loop, therefor making Cheney the responsible party, right? so he just contradicted himself, saying that he didn't think the president would lie, right?
WHY do these creeps have such a hard time using the 'L' word?

[BeatBush]

43. everyone

write letters to the editor to your local papers EXPOSE the Bush lies. BECOME the Media

[julka]

44. you're right, of course

what would be an effective way to couch this?

every time I write a 'letter,' I end up tossing it, cause I ramble incoherently