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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 06:36 PM
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PlameGate Is A Smokescreen - "Unanswered Questions" Author MalcontentX
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0512/S00022.htm

INTRODUCTION..

Dear DU...

In Internet alternative writing terms MALCONTENTX is an enigmatic and very important figure. He was seminal in the beginning of the 911 Truth Movement. So far as I am aware he hasn't written anything for a couple of years - at least not as MALCONTENTX. I urge those who take their examination of issues around the intelligence/military industrial complex/bush admin/Iraq war interfaces to read this compelling and illuminating essay.

It is long... but it is also pure spun golden truth at its most explicit and most revealing... it is worth savouring and sharing.

If you like it reccommend it, blog it and tell others about it.

Kia Kaha

Althecat...

AUTHOR NOTE: MalcontentX is the anonymous analyst whose essay Unanswered Questions - Published by Scoop.co.nz in February 2002 became a key document in the foundation of the 911 Truth Movement. For his complete historic Unanswered Questions analysis see… http://www.communitycurrency.org/MainIndexMX.html


Distribution via the Unanswered Questions Wire
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/

The PlameGate Affair is A Smokescreen...


by MalcontentX
Nov, 2005

Limited Hangout.
Distraction.
Facade.
Magnetic manna for hypocrites and toadies.
A soothing piece of political candy for those with a taste for solutions convenient.


Ever get the feeling like you're the only person in the world who really understands what's going down? -I mean, with respect to a particular situation?

Yeah, not an accurate (or pleasant) feeling to have; for, if one's objective analysis is basically sound, then surely there are others who understand; yet in the midst of the grand social dialogue, its cascade of concepts flowing back and forth, when one hears the essential component of a story so-consistently misplaced, one feels alone, and saddened for the state of our collective understanding.

Yet perhaps I'm wrong; or perhaps this may be an opportunity for a breakthrough of sorts.

Perhaps.

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Take the case of "outed" CIA agent Valerie Plame-Wilson, and the "crime" for which some senior members of the Bush Administration may be facing jail time.

Of all the thoughtful observers I routinely scan across the internet, I have found only two that come close to the heart of the matter. One is a rather brief reflection from a somewhat anonymous observer (1) (who has nevertheless proven his/herself to be consistently astute). The other comes from investigators Ralph Schoenmann and Mya Schoen (2) , who have provided a meticulous and well-documented analysis (in audio format) upon which I will be relying somewhat for my analysis here.

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Now, the source of the confusion seems to arise around the desire by many to do something to stop the war in Iraq, and to see that those who lied... to get us into it, are held accountable.

An admirable goal.

The war in Iraq constitutes a grotesque violation of human rights, international law, and ethical government. Many know this. Many are speaking out. Yet into this mix are slithering a whole slew of questionable characters, slowly but surely shifting the ground of the dialogue away from the real architects of the war; and many are the well-meaning yet short-sighted observers, it seems, who are unconsciously allowing this to happen.

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Let's look at this a little more closely.

Bush, Cheney, and their entire administration repeatedly lied to get us into this war.

Virtually the entire Congress and Senate bought the lies and voted to give Bush the power to invade.

Virtually the entire mainstream press bought the lies, and dutifully documented the details of the invasion from the inside of a tank -in this, the latest expression of the so-called "war on terror."

All this is a matter of record.

Well yes, now is the time for a great hand-wringing amongst the press and politicians: 'yes,' they say, 'we hate to admit it but... we were duped,' fooled, misled.

And we know this is udder (3) nonsense. We know that any conscientious citizen could have gone on the internet within hours of Bush's or Powell's speech and exposed them for the juvenile frauds they were; yet with all the budgetary powers the press and politicians have to investigate the facts, they somehow "missed" the reality.

Let's be clear about this: they "missed" it because they WANTED to miss it.

They wanted to miss it because their integrity is thoroughly compromised to the military-industrial complex upon which they feed.... and which wanted the war to proceed.

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Yet somehow the intelligence bureaucracy, (it seems, we are being told) is different; it appears as if the CIA and co. was trying to tell the truth about the WMD/yellowcake claims, but were somehow manipulated or prevented from doing their job.

But wait: of all the elements within the military-industrial-complex, is not the intelligence bureaucracy among the most firmly committed to the manufacture of war -and the lies necessary to achieve it? Have not its agents consistently proven themselves to be the bastions of deception and intrigue?

The "Valerie Plame indictment" is unravelling within the context of an assertion that the intelligence community is an entity standing somewhat at odds or even independent of the political games going on in Washington.

Is this true?

Were the analysts prevented from doing their job?

Or does "the company" merely want it to appear that way?

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Let's look at the political context.

Broadly-speaking, why did we go to war? Why did top officials systematically lie to get us into Iraq? The immediate reason is obvious: oil. The longer-term reason is geo-political strategy: the control of the world's resources, beginning with the middle-east, and the usurpation of the former Soviet Republics in order to contain China; and the deeper, fundamental reason is that the American Empire is bankrupt from the inside out... entirely addicted (4) to the expansion of its war machine for the continuation of its economic life.

The war-machine must grow, or the entire house of cards will begin to fall.

(If you don't know that, dear reader, then you need to do your homework; or, simply try to follow the logic here with an open mind).

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Central to the war-machine is the element of secrecy.

Let's remember that, within any class society, any society dominated by a powerful few, there is always the danger that elected officials (and those whom they appoint) may cease to serve the interests of all -and instead, use the apparatus of government to further the interests of the few, in secrecy (to some degree).

This is nothing new: it's built into the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights. The different branches of the Federal Government, split into the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, were specifically designed to mitigate against the collection of power in any one area.

Even as some of the "founding fathers" were speaking of the necessity for the "eternal vigilance" of an awakened citizenry, most of them constituted the very economic elite (at the time) that posed the greatest danger to government "for, by, and of the people"; and, throughout American history (5) , there has been an ongoing struggle for the control of the government, (at all levels) between the various economic elites and the grass-roots organizations of the common people.

Through numerous bloody wars, violent oppression, civil unrest, it's not difficult to see that the elite few have generally had the run of things. And today, in the era of the multinational corporation, with over half the world's wealth concentrated in the hands of 1% of the global population, it's quite clear that the power of the few is more-concentrated than ever, that the checks and balances have been overwhelmed, and that its primarily the corporate interest that government serves today.

Now, in a nominally-democratic society such as ours, the nature of this unethical allegiance is that it must be carried out in secret; that is, the compromised politicians and bureaucrats must put on a show of allegiance to "the people," so that we, the people, do not rebel.

Alas, by virtue of the bald-faced belligerence of some Republican hawks these days, and the apathetic response this seems to get from the general public, some may assume that this "show" is not all that significant; but this would be a grave mistake.

We must not confuse the effect of the Elite propaganda machine with the reality it is trying to control; that is, the very effectiveness of the media con job causes many to believe that it doesn't matter, that "we, the people" don't care, (precisely what the Elite want us to believe).

In reality, the political establishment goes to enormous expense to massage the public mind, (because they have to (5b) ) and the colonic-collusion of the corporate press makes this manipulation seem almost natural.

Strategists in the corridors of power are certainly not unaware of the need to maintain the facade; so let us keep this element of secrecy clearly in our mind.

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Even more so than the secret allegiances of individual politicians, we must be most-concerned here with organized secrecy: that is, networks of people, united in the commitment to carrying those decisions out.

In corporate America (6) , for example, people are paid to lie and swindle. There's a profit to be had in exploiting others; and so, in the interest of furthering the common need/greed, people follow orders.

It is within this institutional culture where "following orders" prevails that secrecy is able to expand its reach most-fully.

In government, this becomes expressed in the corruption of the political parties as a whole; yet of all our public institutions, it has traditionally been the military which has most-clearly been governed by the principle of "following orders."

As we all know, in times of war: what residues of fair-play, civil liberty and common sense that exist in civil society often go flying out the window in the name of necessity, "patriotism," "honour," "helping our boys," etc.

Here, secrecy and don't ask questions is the norm; whereas, with the elected (and other bureaucratic) branches of government, there is often at least a paper trail showing the decisions that were made; and, the elected officials can be voted out of office.

What has traditionally kept the military somewhat (and only periodically) in check has been the difficulty -the sheer enormity- of getting the apparatus of government into a position to declare war, along with the cultural conditions necessary to convince the public to accept it.

This has kept the American military (at least partially) in a place where it, (and its code of secrecy) continued to act in service to the public, rather than as ruler (7) .

For all those with the eyes to see, the military is now moving close to the time when it will be so integrated with the powers of the federal government as to become the lead agency (8) in the promotion/enforcement of public policy.

There's no question but that we are moving towards a police state -where the essence of secrecy contained within the "private tyranny" of the corporation, (formerly held in check by the various separation of powers) is "coming out" to the public in the form of a uniformed, armed guard on Main Street America.

Yet the key element which is making all this possible is another reservoir of secrecy, operating at a whole other level of subtlety and sophistication... which has developed steadily (and massively) over the last sixty years, serving as a "plausibly deniable" bridge between the agenda of the military and the administrative levers of civilian government.

Principally with the creation of the CIA in 1947, you have a (largely invisible) intelligence bureaucracy which has increasingly come to have more and more influence over the Executive branch of office, (National Security Council, Daily Intelligence Brief, etc.) while simultaneously using its Executive position to access funds, resources (and positions within other areas of both, government and civilian life) to further an un-written agenda... all under the rubric of "don't ask questions... national security."

The power of the CIA (and the various "intelligence" gathering agencies) goes WAY BEYOND the thirty-billion/year that we are told they are allotted by Congress. The true power of "The Company" lies not in its administrative/clerical (i.e. "public") side, it lies in the realm of covert operations, by which it has penetrated into the core of the stock-market, banking and finance, the media, the arms trade, illicit drugs, and so on.

It is absolutely essential for every thinking American to grasp the significance of this. To do so requires some study. There are numerous good books (9) on the subject. In particular, I recommend the vantage-point of someone who was there (10) from its inception, who saw it grow and change the face of the political landscape... and who has chronicled that development in exhaustive detail.

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So the existence of this intelligence bureaucracy takes the element of secrecy within government to a whole other level of sophistication.

Imagine, for a moment, beyond the usual rank of influence-peddling, (i.e. The White House/Pentagon offering access to only those reporters who say the right things, or Republican Party money helping to finance publications and programs that appear on Fox news) that there's another, unnamed layer of organization that can withhold or "leak" classified information at will, stage events, plant stories, to which the compromised or unaware press, politicians, and public must then respond. The power of this bureaucracy is not absolute; but because it is, by its very nature, a hidden power (10) , it has a flexibility to influence events that no other institution has, while appearing to be un-involved.

.... MUCH MUCH MORE....
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0512/S00022.htm
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 06:42 PM
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1. haven't read it yet but I will say this
The movement to destroy AMerica has worked. Call it Republican, Conservative, Neocon, Chrito-fascist, whatever....the goal of making the entire body of wisdom and knowledge required to move humanity forward HAS BEEN DESTROYED. There is only one truth. There is only one God. God is love.

The persons who have committed this great crime have no truth, they have no God, and they feel no Love.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:02 PM
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5. and when the 'trouble' comes, they will be as powerless as we
if that's any consolation....
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:32 PM
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9. I hear you, but I'm going forward
Picked up the thing called love, and there was no room for fear. peace
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 06:45 PM
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2. Kia Kaha Al
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 06:55 PM
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3. Hiho Dream Like One...
ke te pai = Feeling Good...

:hi:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:09 PM
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12. Kia ora.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:09 PM
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16. Kia ora Bonita
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 06:59 PM
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4. "utter (3)" not "udder"....can't help myself...
eom
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:05 PM
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6. Check out the footnote right after the word.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:06 PM
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7. I read your into and I am bookmarking this because this is going
somewhere important, I have to entertain people now so I can't finish the compilation just yet. I will comment later once I have time to digest the work.

So far very very very interesting and well thought out.

K&R

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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:15 PM
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8. On (10) I'm only finding info on a L fletcher not J fletcher
Is J correct?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:36 PM
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10. Good spotting... seems to be a typo will correct....
10. I speak here of J. Fletcher Prouty, (now deceased) who was the focal-point liaison officer between the CIA and the Joint Chiefs during the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations. On this site, you will find an enormous reservoir of important audio and text material to choose from.

Also, you may access two of Prouty's most important written works, online: "The Secret Team" and "Understanding Special Operations".

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ST.html

To make your investigation a little easier, I provide a brief review of some of this analysis in the appendix at the end of this essay.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:45 PM
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11. Joe Wilson. Patrick Fitzgerald. nt
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:14 PM
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13. SUMMARY OF THE MEME: So to sum up:
...EXTRACT...

So to sum up:

an American President goes before the American people and lies his face off to justify the invasion of Iraq;

the Congress, the big media, and the intelligence bureaucracy all abrogate their responsibility to question and investigate the truth; they play dumb, and buy into the lie, (and we know exactly why);

then the Congress, the media, and the intelligence bureaucracy all claim they were "duped" or "prevented" from countering the lies -with various intelligence leaks providing the focus for who to blame.

The "blame" then becomes narrowly localized/contained when one of the "culprits" commits another, related "crime" for which they may face "tough" justice.

The intelligence community emerges, once again, shining like a new car.

...EXTRACT...
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:43 PM
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15. Thank Jesus for our CIA-vior!
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:31 PM
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14. Brilliant analysis.
CNN is simply a propaganda arm of the Pentagon.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:37 PM
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17. I don't care what Plamegate is, as long as it puts Rove in jail.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:56 PM
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18. I hope this content gets a lot of attention
hopefully, then, we can discontinue this fantasy that Patrick Fitzgerald is going to save us, or once we get this one or that one we'll be much better off. It's all an illusion. They're playing chess and we're playing checkers. Fuck it all.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:53 AM
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20. Yes but what kind of world do we want?
We are going to have a world. For better or worse, SOMEONE is going to make decisions which bring it about. There is no doubt this is an important juncture not only in American history, but in Human history. 9/11 is an event of MYTHICAL proportions that will resonate down through history for thousands of years. It must call forth from us a response that is equal to it in weight and counter to its amorality.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:14 PM
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37. Absolutely Beam. We need vision of what we are choosing other than war.
n/t
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:44 PM
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19. The logic of the piece is sound only if one assumes that
a) the CIA has no competing factions and b) is the only "game" in town (which is isn't by a long shot).

Yes, the elites when threatened as a single, differentiated organism will do what's required to remain self-perpetuating. That does not mean that the secret choices being made are a) inevitable, b) unanimously desirable, or c) without differing consequences. Yes, it does reek of illogic for the left to be concerned about "outing" a covert operator but insider agent or not, Fitzgerald has exposed to a we-like-to-be-spoon-fed-public that their leaders LIE to them ROUTINELY. That is a dose of truth that is the seed of a consciousness awakening.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:18 AM
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21. He totally lost me at udder. I don't care how astute the observation.
It's UTTER!!!!!

Udder is a cow's teat. A milk producing gland. If your grasp of homonyms is this shaky, I don't think I can trust your political awareness.
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freedomburn Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:45 AM
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23. Read the footnote anal-retentive diction hound.
3. No, I'm not expressing my negligence for the use of "spell-check," dear reader. T'is a play on words, giving expression to the tendancies of the liars in question, to suckle at the teat of the beast.


While, I will admit that I also found his choice of words disconcerting at first, I think we should be willing to look at the substance of the article rather than let diction divert us from the important facts.

We are being milked. If you pay your taxes, you are feeding this machine of death. The bombs that are dropped on Iraqui children are YOUR bombs. You paid for them.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:49 PM
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26. The term Anal Retentive does not require a hyphen.
Phhttttttt!!! Figuring the footnote was commmentary on facts, not wordplay.


And in terms of the content, he's preachin' to the choir.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:20 AM
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22. Easiest Way To Help Spread The Truth
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:21 PM
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24. the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth . . .
simultaneously profound and tragic . . . but an honest assessment of why we are where we are under BushCo . . .

"Broadly-speaking, why did we go to war? Why did top officials systematically lie to get us into Iraq? The immediate reason is obvious: oil. The longer-term reason is geo-political strategy: the control of the world's resources, beginning with the middle-east, and the usurpation of the former Soviet Republics in order to contain China; and the deeper, fundamental reason is that the American Empire is bankrupt from the inside out... entirely addicted to the expansion of its war machine for the continuation of its economic life.

"The war-machine must grow, or the entire house of cards will begin to fall."



and there you have it . . . hard to handle for those of us raised on belief in the American myth, but there it is nonetheless . . . as MalcontentX says . . .

(If you don't know that, dear reader, then you need to do your homework; or, simply try to follow the logic here with an open mind).



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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:56 PM
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25. I buy it all. It explains some otherwise mysterious and frustrating
behavior.

Why wasn't CIA and Tenet in open revolt regarding mis-use of intelligence? Why are they content to be scape-goats?

Why dem leader passivity and complicity for 4 years?

Why was Kerry was unable to defeat the worst president ever?

Lack of meaningful election reform...

Lack of oversight by congress in the face of gross mismanagement by the executive branch..

Why, when a main problem of WMD intelligence was (apparently) politicization of the CIA, did Congress and many dems confirm a partisan, political figure (Goss) as the new head of CIA?


The issue shouldn't be conservative vs progressive, freeper vs DU'r, blue vs red, etc. It is all of US (95% of the pubic) against THEM (those that would hamstring democracy in order to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of fewer and fewer people).

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:37 PM
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29. That's exactly how I see it, too.
The issue shouldn't be conservative vs progressive, freeper vs DU'r, blue vs red, etc. It is all of US (95% of the pubic) against THEM (those that would hamstring democracy in order to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of fewer and fewer people).


On the other hand, if we are so lazy and stupid that we LET them aggregate all wealth and power in their hands, perhaps we deserve what's coming.

It won't be pretty.

The only "saving grace" is I don't think the rest of the world will allow them to rule as subserviently as we do.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:30 PM
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27. As long as Fitzgerald doesn't go into Op Mockingbird it's a sham
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 06:39 PM by EVDebs
Operation Mockingbird, the CIA's media manipulation project
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm

they'll probably go 'in camera' on everything and no jury will ever go into illegal domestic operations. Catapulting the propaganda will continue and even military psyops will participate in the activity on the domestic end. All illegal of course.

And Fitz knows it. Who were Miller's and Woodward's handlers ? And MalcontentX is correct again. The outing of Plame by the CIA implies insiders outing her status...with complete disregard for the company she kept. Lives at stake even. But who cares, right ?

It gives new meaning to the term inside job.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:40 PM
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28. Well, there it is
Osama was their boy. 9-11 was an inside job to further the agenda of the elite, to manipulate public opinion. Bu$h, the neocons and the politicians are just useful idiots to these people.

There is the enemy, of the people, all people, except the ones they are really working for. And it ain't us, the American people. What to do, how can the country be freed from these posers?

If you were born after 1947, you have never really been free, ever. It's all an illusion. Even the 'war on the dirty pinko commies'. It was all a scam to further their power. The 'war on terrorism' is just an extension of the 'cold war'. Both wars started and kept running by these people.

If you were a early boomer, these people fed us propaganda to use us as cannon fodder in 'Nam. They fed us propaganda about Patriotism, Truth, Justice and the American way from the time we were toddlers. Probably in some obscure way even manipulating public schooling to train us to be 'good' citizens with unquestioning loyalty to the government.

Except it didn't take with some, like me I guess. You know, every friend I have known from HS is now dead, one way or another. A couple never came back from the jungle. One suicide. One from dope. One from cancer at age 35. And one had his liver dissolve from drinking vodka. Yep, he ate his liver. He lasted the longest, died in 1994. He picked slivers of metal from his body from 1969 up until he died in 94. Got the slivers from a booby trap in southeast asia. I tell you truthfully, I hate these motherfuckers that have done all this. I hope these people will rot in hell.

No wonder we are a war society. All this comes from these people. The American Fascists. These are the ones that must be destroyed, without mercy or any remorse whatsoever. And their employers too.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:29 AM
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30. You have to hand it to them
You have to marvel at the effectiveness of this "takeover" by a relatively small number of ambitious, rogue figures. There was some serious planning in the works for decades to achieve this. A small number of people recognized that the time was right and that the right people were in place to launch an effort to reshape American politics, the geopolitical landscape, and democracy.

Another aspect of this theory that I would be interested to hear MalcontentX talk about is how the religious right figured in on this. They have been very important to elections. Were they in on the bigger plan...or were they used as a fortuitous opportunity by the politicos at the last minute?

This is stuff worthy of a Dan Brown novel. If only that's all it was...

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:29 AM
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31. Just watching a doco on Watergate...
30 Years Later or sommat.

The paralells with what is going on now are extraordinary.

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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:01 AM
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33. Sometimes I think, a little too extraordinary...
like being stuck in the movie, "Back To The Future" -
When they started to talk about re-newable energy, I thought - have we not been here before, 30 years ago. Iraq war, Vietnam war, same script...damn, they need to switch scripts. It's redundant...with young kids growing up hearing the same thing. Looking forward to the same dreams...which do not exist. I too am beginning to believe, it's always been a myth.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:20 PM
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36. MalcontentX's theory has some interesting implications for Ellsberg & Dean
At the end of the doco after the Oval Office tapes were released by the courts the doco said that it was the fact that Nixon had called in the CIA to close down the FBI burglary investigation which was what finally sunk him.

It would be fascinating to find out what Daniel Ellsberg & John Dean think of this analysis.

al
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:57 AM
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32. This is an amazing article - long - but well worth your time!
I'm going to quote it in my Christmas letter

Thank you MalcontentX!

Bama
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:34 AM
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34. What a fascinating and valuable resource...
Thanks so much for posting it. It is 6:OO AM and a Patsy Cline documentary is on PBS...the perfect time for reading this excellent post and referring to some of the footnotes.

I am copying the entire post and passing it on to my sil and several other friends.

Thanks to MalcontentX, he/she has the kind of mind that takes all of those elusive details that we all try to hang on to and compiles those tidbits into a cohesive essay that makes sense. I keep saving little newspaper articles and websites and keep telling myself, "See, the truth is in there SOMEWHERE!" Thanks to X of the 21st century, a mind has come along that can do that for me.

I have bookmarked Scoop.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:31 AM
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