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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:53 PM
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Tweety Made a Good Point. Why Aren't Dems Calling the bush ME Plan Insane?
Tweety asked this of that RW shill O'Beirne and EJ Dionne on Hardball. Why haven't the Democrats come right out and said that this plan to democratize the Mideast starting with Iraq is never going to work. Insane is the word tweety used. I don't think they need to use insane. Unrealistic and fantasy would work better as a start.

It sure beats asking bush to "give us a plan", "give us an exit strategy", etc. The more they futz around the truth the more soldiers and Iraqis die for a FAKE democracy in Iraq.


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Military Fatalities: By Time Period

Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
4 714 13 18 745 2.34 318
3 579 25 27 631 2.92 216
2 718 27 58 803 1.89 424
1 140 33 0 173 4.02 43
Total 2151 98 103 2352 2.35 1001


Military Fatalities: By Month
Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
12-2005 38 0 0 38 2.71 14


http://icasualties.org/oif/
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:56 PM
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1. Agree totally!
I'm getting increasingly peeved with the silent dems! Jeez so many of these issues could be attacked so easily!
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SushiFan Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:41 PM
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5. You're the one for me, Q friend
There are plenty of reasons. Here are a few I wrote down:


Bush Must Resign NOW.
After two weeks of an increase of GWB being more honest in public, maybe this man has finally begun coming to his senses. Maybe he is willing to finally own up to the NUMEROUS horrible, sad and often unnecessary mistakes he has made during his term in office so far.

Maybe.

If true, there come obligations on anyone admitting mistakes to rectify them. Restore America, if you will, to the status it enjoyed before he came along to botch it up. GWB's responsibility here to America and God is to RESIGN. NOW. QUICKLY. And let someone else into the Oval Office to repair his unrecognizable America.

Look closely at his record:

a) His attempts at Social Security Reform, Medicare Reform and Medicaid Reform have all been failures. Nobody's buying. Dead issues. And American poor and elderly and children suffer worse now than under Clinton because the US social safety net has been gutted.

b) Fiscally, the Trade Deficit is at the highest it has ever been and is still rising. The Federal Budget Deficit is unspeakbly huge. NO ONE - Dem or Reep - agrees with GWB on his fiscal policies of taxcuts and runaway spending. Our rich are richer than ever and enjoy ever more tax relief and gifts of business welfare. Meanwhile, the middle class are saddled with the highest ratio of income to tax through the AMT which Congress chose not to work on until 2007. The least able to afford taxes are the ones paying the most in terms of income ratio. Sad, very sad.

c) Socially, GWB's promotion of HIS God and the God of his white, fat, suburban, GOP backers at the expense of everyone else's beliefs has engendered more litigation concerning the Founder's idea of church-state separation than ever before. We can't even say Happy Christmas to each other without some crackpot somewhere throwing a hissy fit. Women's rights are fading into the sunset. Today an Appellate Judge sent a gay man from Zimbabwe who was marked for death by that nation for no other reason except that he is gay to his African home. The gay man had sought US asylum protection, but the US made him return to Zimbabwe to certain death because of a "technicality". Where is there any moral and judicial mercy here?

d) The Mother of All Mothers - GWB's War On Iraq, has so far cost billions upon billions and way too many American lives in that bungled war. Today the press notes that the Pentagon wants A HALF OF A TRILLION DOLLARS NEXT YEAR FOR IRAQ. And who knows how many more troops will die by that time? Furthermore, GWB today told us he will stay put in Iraq until there is a victory. He forgot he told us that the war to remove Saddam would take no more than 90 days and there would be flowers in Baghdad streets. He even went on a photo op on a ship to announce the the Iraq misssion was done. Yet, that lie then reveals the lie today that there will be a victory for the US there. I don't think there will EVER be a victory there. If so, it should have happened by now. Why hasn't it, then? Because Iraq is GWB's and his GOP's BIGGEST AND LOUSIEST MISTAKE IN ALL TIME AMERICAN HISTORY. No electricity, no clean water. And death abounding. In GWB's push to make Iraq free, he has probably killed more people doing so than Saddam did when he was in power. Iraq is worse now than before GWB set foot there. I wonder if God even is able to forgive GWB for Iraq?

Well, there you have it. Clear to me Bush does not deserve his pRezidency which - oh by the way - was probably stolen from American voters in both elections, if you ask a few million people.

I have no use for him. He needs to leave DC and return for good to Crawford NOW, this very second, and quit putting the hurt on so many of us Americans and countless numbers of Iraqis. May God in His Heaven have mercy on us.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 07:57 PM
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2. Because Tweety would turn around and call them "whiners"
If anyone is in no position to criticize, it's that jerk.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:02 PM
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3. I think he made a good point.
I agree he is a jerk and a jackass at times. He also has the ability to zero in on what the heart of an issue is at times. This is one of those times. I was extremely frustrated with the Democratic press conference today and Levin's tepid remarks. They need to call Iraq what the fuck it is, a MESSOPOTAMIA that can NOT be fixed. We need to get the hell out.

Of course their language should be much more palatable than mine.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:21 PM
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4. We can credit that to the DLC backing off Dean n/t
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:59 PM
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6. The Dems, I am saddened to say, seem to be eternally confused
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 09:06 PM by tom_paine
about the nature and true threat of Bushevism. The fact that it is actually a cabal which views the Constitution and the American People with contempt, and operates under a completely different paradigm than the mighty post-WWII (died on Dec. 12th, 2000) Old American Republic.

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Until the Dems learn to understand and counter this new kind of threat (if that is still even possible), until they cease pretending, like the French with the Maginot Line, like the 1933 German Social Democrats, that the new and more virulent threat is just another variation on what has come before...then they will continue to be scared and timid and get their asses kicked.

If it is even possible, given the voting black hole that now exists in Amerika which expands with every year, the latest being the off-year Ohio elections, in which that state's voting machinery was perhaps subverted irrevocably.

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Goddamn, did I love Free America, Old America! It had it's faults and flaws...every nation does. It did terrible things sometimes.

But less than most, I think.

And it sometimes is despairing to see the only counterbalance to what killed Old America are the clueless, mostly (I have seen some promising signs lately, I will happily admit) spineless Democrats.
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