If Bush bombs Iran, does it mean a draft is inevitable?

[garybeck]

Poll question: If Bush bombs Iran, does it mean a draft is inevitable?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Everything being equal it should have been

enacted already... but they know they do it... well what can I say?

And by the way there is one already, it is a back door draft, called stop loss

[garybeck]

2. "there is one already"

yeah, I know. I mean the other kind of draft, where they kill 20 year old kids who never enlisted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. We need to be honest about it

we alraedy have a draft... and show outrage.

Now if we bomb Iran, it truly depends what the Iranians do... want me to absolutely worst case it for you? One or two of our carriers hit the bottom of the Gulf... as well as large elements of their taskforces. With them losses we either leave, tail between legs, or start an official draft... not the stop loss one.. or use nukes... none of this is a good alternative

[walldude]

4. Stop loss.. heh, more like Kidnapping...

You know Bush will do anything in his power not to reinstate the draft. Any support he had left for the war would diminish and he would sink like a stone.

[yurbud]

3. Given Murtha's indication of military's mood, something would happen

before Bush got anywhere near a draft.

The Bush people are nearing the limits of the patience of the public, but I think they are already well past it with the military.

[garybeck]

"something would happen"

what do you mean? a mutiny?

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Look at the history of Vietnam

the last days are a clue of waht they did... that and Congress...

[yurbud]

12. Remember the White Palace protest in Russia after anti-Gorby coup?

Hard-liners had overthrown Gorbachev while he was on vacation, people were protesting outside the Duma or whatever, and the hard-liners called in the military to break up the protests.

They wouldn't do it, and that was the last straw for the Communists.

I think there are a couple of things that would be the straw for the Bushies with the military. Sending troops into another oil country would be one. Any attempt at martial law would be another. Any attempt to stage another terrorist attack would definitely not fly. Even if the brass went along with it, the people further down the chain of command would figure it out this time and either throw a wrench in the works or blow the whistle.

How that non-compliance would express itself, I don't know, but even the most disciplined soldier is not a robot. They have eyes and ears and families, and they can see who is profiting and who is being harmed by Bush's actions.

[drfresh]

5. Not if they're nukes

I hope it doesn't happen, but this feels sooo like the buildup to Iraq. Sure to become a clusterfuck. And the Iranian prez isn't helping his case by demanding the destruction of Isreal.

[driver8]

6. I would love to see dipshit try and institute the draft...

I think the American public has had just enough of his bullshit. (A majority of us, anyhow).

[garybeck]

7. here's what they'll do

make Lieberman ( a dem ) do it.

[yurbud]

14. Cheney already let the military know what the motivator would be (LINK)

American Conservative, the magazine that first ran Col. Karen Kwiotkowski's accurate account of working with the neocons at the Pentagon, published a Pentagon leak that Cheney asked for plans for air strikes, nuke and conventional, against Iran in response to terrorist attack whether or not Iran did it.

If they want to use nukes, their planned "motivator" would have to be a nuclear terrorist attack, which would they would expect to increase patriotism so people would support the draft.

My hope is that they are becoming uncertain enough of the Pentagon's cooperation that they won't do that.

But they have done brutal, reckless things before.

KEY EXCERPTS:

The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option.

As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States.

Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing--that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack--but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.


FULL TEXT:

http://www.justinlogan.com/justinlogancom/2005/07/what_is_the_pla.html

[izzie]

16. Let then draft the cross people that should do it.

I do not think the USA can police and take over the world and turn it into a capitalist world in our vain. We have not the people to do it with only about 5% of the worlds pop. but I will not be shocked if Congress makes s stab at it. I should not turn on c-span as I hear some of the GOP nut cases and I get to believe they will do anything. They are not playing with a full deck for sure.

[loyalsister]

18. That would be the fastest way to end it

The reason people were more active during the Vietnam war was that there was a required sacrifice. If more people have more at stake, more people will be pissed about what is happening now.

[Oversea Visitor]

9. Haha 80 million people

Bomb them they turn into rabib dogs

80 million people funding terrorist attack on US
Whee truly fuck up
Yeah need draft need go in Iran
Haha REAL THREAT now,

Crazy George got death wise for Americans people.

[raysr]

11. Doesn't have to worry

about re-election.

[f-bush]

13. We already have a defacto draft

We already have a defacto draft-stop loss. Also we have a coersion factor going in our society. Make funding scarce enough for decent education and economic conditions bad enough for certain segments of society and then you leave those people with no alternative but to enroll in the military.

I don't see how can not enact a REAL draft if we go after Iran. I see it happening in one of two ways. A) "shrub" spends the next year building up the supposed Iranian threat and then we go in just after the 06 elections with a draft or B) he goes in now and comes up with some sort of bullshit law in which those who are in jail and prison are sent over to fight. Either way, I think we're fucked!

I do think that any party that institutes a draft will be committing politcal suicide.

[loyalsister]

19. Stop loss and unfair

But it is not a required sacrifice until the high school kids are sweating bullets, frat boys and sorority girls are worrying that their last deferment is coming up.

[Jamison]

15. I hope not.

Even though they might find out I'm married, I'll tell them about my boyfriends I have on the side. lol

I'd also tell them that I like to chase my bi-polar medication with cocaine.

Would that be enough to keep them away?

[msblueinredstate]

17. Oh yes there will be

a draft if Bush bombs Iran because as soon as we bomb them they will bomb Israel and then the whole Middle East will be on fire.

[Disturbed]

20. It won't happen.

The Bush Regime may be insane but they are not suicidal.

[garybeck]

23. they have carte blanche

with electronic voting owned by the replicans, they can do whatever they want, including a draft. plus he's a lame duck anyway.

[Vinca]

21. Of course not. If there was a draft

the twins might be called up or the sons and daughters of big "bidness" or Congress. Haven't you figured out only the poor and disenfranchised are used as fodder?

[mikehiggins]

22. As long as Bush can get away without directly affecting huge

numbers of "ordnry folks", which a draft would do, he'll continue overloading the military, reserves and National Guard.

If we had an actual draft in place in 2001 I doubt we would have invaded Iraq in the first place.

People are always willing to talk about doing the "right thing" as long as it doesn't include them doing anything themselves.