religiously insane still trying to take over Air Force Academy

[donsu]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051215/ap_on_go_pr_wh/air_force_chaplains;_ylt=AlpL_rSdesdyWUdxKEIufvKyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--


Bush Asked to Protect Chaplains' Rights


House lawmakers concerned that proposed military guidelines are restricting some Christian chaplains' abilities to pray said Wednesday they will deliver a 6-inch-thick petition to
President Bush this week asking him to intervene.

The
Pentagon is finalizing guidelines to help determine what is appropriate religious expression, following an internal investigation that found examples of religious insensitivity at the Air Force Academy near Colorado Springs, Colo.

Conservative lawmakers and others said they fear the guidelines, which urge sensitivity to religious diversity, go too far.

They said some Christian chaplains throughout the military have complained their right to pray by specifically mentioning Jesus Christ is at risk. The lawmakers want Bush to issue an executive order protecting chaplains' right to pray according to their faith.
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have these freaks infiltrated West Point too?

who sicced them on the Air Force Academy anyway?

if seperation of church and state people give smirk a 7 inch thick petition, would we win?

[SteppingRazor]

1. Easy to say who sicced them on the AFA...

The AFA is located in Colorado Springs, CO, site of more fundamental Christian organizations per capita than any other city on the planet. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is only the most prominent example -- there arte literally hundreds if not thousands of similar organizations in the city.

[Johonny]

3. I noticed

I went to a job interview there and was very frighten.

[tanyev]

5. After a re-read of The Handmaid's Tale,

I began to wonder if Colorado Springs might become the capital of the future Republic of Gilead.

[MountainLaurel]

9. Wouldn't doubt it

From what I've heard, that places is like Lynchburg West.

[DBoon]

2. I'm concerned about a military dominated by religious nuts

Would they follow an order they thought went against their version of God's will?

Will military policy be colored by their unyeilding apocalyptic views?

Would a sufficiently secular Commander in Chief incite a Christian military coupe?

[MountainLaurel]

7. As a DUer once phrased it

"Religious fundamentalists flying planes . . . where have I heard that one before?"

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Well if you're

like some Christian's and still follow parts in the OT God says "thou shalt not kill." So where does that stand you with the military?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. When a Christian prays

"in Jesus' name" I mentally add, "and all the other masters, saints, and prophets". If Christians are praying strictly with Christians, fine to add those words. But if they are praying to a mixed group, they don't HAVE to add this, I would think.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. With me

I just say "amen." I don't need to be all fancy when I pray. Plus, I don't pray a loud since I don't lead prayer(s) and stuff. And no you don't have to add it. It's not like I'm going to go to hell because I didn't pray properly in someone else's opinion.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

6. I don't get it

we're had chaplains for years, from all faiths.

Has something changed?

[DBoon]

8. Yes

Chaplins of old ministered to their faiths. period.

The new generation believe they are obliged to do everything possible to convert those who are not of their faith, and to infuse all aspects of life in the academy with THEIR religion.

They believe religious freedom give them the right to harass Jewish recruits for example.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

10. Wow

I had not heard that. How un-chaplain like. I'd think that was against their rules or something.

tg

[DBoon]

12. It is against the current rules (IMHO)

which is why there is a controversy

And I believe the petition is to change the rules to allow this sort of in-your-face proselytizing in the name of religious freedom.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

15. I would probably KNOW this if I had read

it, so thanks for taking the time to clue me in. If I were in a war, which I'm not, I sure wouldn't want to feel vulnerable to somebody looking to win my soul over for their side.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. Last year

The fundies believe they "won" Bush the last election so they believe they are the majority and they're not afraid of offending someone else. They just don't give a damn.

[JHB]

22. You said it. Here's more 'Faith based ' fun from the civilian world:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051...

ACLU sues over faith-based rehab: Catholic man forced into Pentecostal program

By Norman Sinclair / The Detroit News
DETROIT - In a lawsuit filed on his behalf by the civil rights group, a 23-year-old Catholic man from Genesee County is asking a federal judge to set aside a drug conviction, saying he was punished for not completing a Pentecostal rehabilitation program.

Joseph Hanas was 19 when he pleaded guilty to a marijuana possession charge in February 2001 in Genesee Circuit Court and was placed in a diversion program for young, non-violent offenders.
Upon the recommendation of a probation officer, Judge Robert Ransom sentenced Hanas to the state-sponsored rehabilitation program - the Inner City Christian Outreach Residential Program, run by a Pentecostal church.

Hanas said the program did not offer drug treatment or counseling, nor did it have any organized program other than reading the Bible and attending Pentecostal services. He said his rosary and prayer book was taken from him and his religion was denounced as "witchcraft." Hanas said he was told his only chance of avoiding prison and a felony record was to convert to the Pentecostal faith.

After seven weeks, his mother and lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union in Flint succeeded in getting Hanas back to court.
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It's the same with the nonsense about a 'war on Christmas'...
Certain groups are mad as hell that they were being prevented from pushing people around, so now that the President is "one of them" they've decided it's time to remind "those people" just who's in charge. "Respect my authori-tah!"

[Skidmore]

11. This is the same AF responsible for Tailhook, right?

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. Ayuh

[Hand]

14. Um, no. That was the Navy.

Carrier pilots--the tailhook is the thing that snags the cable on the deck and keeps the landing aircraft from proceeding onwards into the ocean. Quite spectacular when it misses... :nuke:

I hear that AF pilots party pretty seriously too, however.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. nope that was the Navy

[FreedomAngel82]

17. I remember reading a letter

from Stars & Stripes from a guy who said he was a pagan and he was worried about his religious freedom from them. How they would treat him because he was a pagan and his commander(s) were Christian's and I've also heard Christian's go around and tell Jews they're going to hell if they don't convert. I'm Christian but that's just plain wrong. Only God can judge someone else.

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Will these same Cons also protect a Muslim or Jews rights?

Are there even any chaplains of Muslim or Jewish faith? :shrug: There are surely soldiers who are of those faiths in the service. Is their religios freedom being protected, too?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

23. Chaplain Yee

was a Muslim chaplain at Guantanimo who hauled up on false charges that were later dropped. They came up with some bogus stuff about pornography and an affair, all designed to distress his family. He was a West Point grad, but he left the Army in disgust after all this. He's got a book out and I've heard him talk about his ordeal-some very anti-Muslim bias on the part of his superior officers.