Hillary is not polling well on AOL

[Quixote1818]

I know this is an internet poll but with numbers like this, it would be political suicide to run her.

Has your opinion of Hillary Clinton changed in the last six years?
No, I still don't like her 47%
Yes, I like her more 22%
Yes, I dislike her more 17%
No, I still like her 13%

In other words almost 70% don't like her an only 30% like her.


Would you vote for her for president?
No 67%
Yes 33%
Total Votes: 222,129



http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051215055209990009&ncid=NWS00010000000001

[Beelzebud]

1. She is not electable as president. That is just a fact.

Many are simply tired of 2 families controlling America.

That is the #1 reason I do NOT support her running for president. I wnat to see some NEW people in there. No more Bush/Clinton families running the show.

[Quixote1818]

3. Yes, too much power concentrated is dangerous.

Time for some fresh blood.

[SaveElmer]

4. That is not a fact...

That is speculation....

In my opinion she is very electable. And will be our strongest candidate!

[Beelzebud]

5. Then get ready to lose again...

[SaveElmer]

8. I thought the last two elections were stolen?

Won't this in fact be our 5th win in a row?

[Beelzebud]

9. keep telling yourself that...

2000 was stolen.

Kerry lost 2004. Were there irregularities? yes. Was it enough to throw the election? No...

[SaveElmer]

11. Isn't that DU heresy...

I thought Diebold was the root of all of our problems!

Nice to see not everyone gets sucked into that...yes we lost for many reasons...the biggest of which is our GOTV efforts are amateurish compared to the Republicans!

[Beelzebud]

15. It may be, but I'm a heretic. :D

I'm glad to see you weren't seriously using that as an excuse!!! Very refreshing, indeed!!!

[Sparkman]

44. Please, remember who controls CBS/NBC/FOX/CNN...anti-liberal corps

The perceptions leading up to elections and the coverage and giving last minute air play to Swift Boat Drunks and A WEAK personality like Al Gore and a stacked Supreme Court selection...it's an uphill battle in a climate that is uncharged.
BUT wouldn't you agree that this time, with the economy and the Iraq quagmire, the press will be less able to quiet down the voice of the people, at the expense of the corporatists=Republicans?

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Oh you don't know hon

Talk to David Cobb and Cliff Arnebeck and John Conyers. They'd tell you differently. Why did the exit polls go in Kerry's favor? Why is there still a court order for August 2006 dealing with Diebold? Do your research and get the facts.

[Beelzebud]

25. Been there done that. If there was evidence, lets see it, and get legal

proceedings going.

Until that happens it just looks like sour grapes...

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Go and read the thread

here in GD about what happened in Tallahassee. They had two computer experts actually be able to hack in. Go read their report. But hey if you wanna remain ignorant on the issue that's your business. Kiss your vote goodbye too.

[Beelzebud]

52. I'm not ignorant on the issue. I'm just realistic. Was there fraud? yes

Was it enough to throw the election? NO.

That election was Kerry's to lose and he lost it. Plain and simple. I know it's not good, or fair, or how it should be, but that is what happened...

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Uhm I don't think so

She won't carry much of the south. If she does.

[Clark2008]

20. She won't carry ANY red state - South or mid-West.

In fact, she may even cause the Dems to LOSE one or two blue states.

[SaveElmer]

23. Sorry...no Democrat is carrying the South...

Outside chance at Virginia if Warner runs...

Hillary will take all of the Blue states...Colorado, Arizona, Nevada and Montana, Iowa, and West Virginia...

In fact I think any of those being seriously talked about as candidates has a great shot in 2008

[Clark2008]

28. Nope.

Clark could flip Arkansas, Arizona, New Mexico, Ohio and/or Virginia. Hillary won't flip any of those and would possibly lose Pennsylvania and Michigan.

[SaveElmer]

31. Well I guess we will have to wait three years to see...

Seems like Republicans and Democrats make a career of underestimating the Clintons and overestimating the antipathy to them...my bet is they are doing it again!

[Clark2008]

33. Hillary is NOT Bill.

I don't underestimate him.

But, I don't overestimate her, either.

[SaveElmer]

34. If you stick to this prediction...

You will be!!!

[Clark2008]

47. I never said she wouldn't win the Dem nomination.

I'm very afraid that she will.

[TheFarseer]

39. Would also lose Wisconsin and Minnesota

She has no chance outside of the Northeast, West coast and I think she could pull in Illinois but wouldn't guarantee it. It would be such an anemic performance I can't bear to think about it.

[ultraist]

37. Certain Dems could take at least two Southern states

Hillary will not win Iowa and if SC is inserted in between Iowa and NH, as has been proposed, there is no way Hillary will win during the primaries.

Midwesterners and Southerners are not going to nominate a women that has a history of liberal votes, as their presidential candidate, esp during wartime. Wont happen.

Whoever wins Iowa and SC (if it's added) will be our candidate.

[mattclearing]

10. Seconded. n/t

[still_one]

17. but I am sure the wonderful MSM will tell us that our candidate

is hillary

SHE ISN'T MINE

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Nor mine

Give me Kerry again, Warner or Feingold.

[liberalcanuck]

40. Ewww - nor mine!

Go Clark!

[nancyr]

41. Not electable.

I totally agree! Hillary is nothing but a dream come true for the right-wing smear machine. They will chew her up and spit her out in record time.

[wryter2000]

2. I don't know where the idea comes from that she's "electable"

Huge numbers of people still hate anyone named Clinton, and then, there are plenty of people who aren't ready for a woman president. I don't like either of those things, but they clearly show that she's not the best candidate if all you're interested in is winning.

[Individualist]

14. Most of it

comes from repugs who want a dem candidate who couldn't possibly win a presidential election.

[wryter2000]

50. True

Also, they want to portray other dems as too radical.

[TheFarseer]

6. She can't win IMO

I wonder if it would change anyone's mind if Wes Clark decided to back her as some people are speculating. I think that would only make me think less of Clark.

[Clark2008]

26. As a Clark supporter, I hope this speculation that you've heard

is just frothing fodder from right-wingers who are terrified Clark might actually get the nomination (he'd flip a couple of red states, believe me).

However, if it's true, I would still support Clark, but I wouldn't support his choice of candidates. I'd back Feingold if Clark doesn't run. If Feingold also doesn't run - I'd have no earthly idea given the list that currently circulates. :(

[sasquatch]

7. I wonder how Bartcop is handling this poll.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. She needs more experience

That's my problem with Hillary. She's only been in the Senate since 2000. I mean c'mon. When John Kennedy was elected president he had experience from being in Congress and the Senate. John Kerry has been in the Senate twenty plus years. Even Mark Warner has more experience than Hillary governing. Nobody really knows how she'll do, at least me for example.

[SmokingJacket]

13. I no longer like her, but I would vote for her

if she were running against someone like Bush.

I'm so peeved about the flag-burning thing, I'd pick almost anyone else in the primaries.

[Clark2008]

18. The only place Hillary polls well is in corporate media polls.

I see all these corporate media polls that say Hillary is the No. 1 choice of Democrats, yet, in the real world, I don't know a soul who is going to work for her in the primaries. Now, I haven't spoken to ever Democrat in Tennessee, of course, but among the hundreds I know - which is as good a sampling as what the corporate media usually gets - I know of only one who will work for her if she wins the primaries, but none who will work to get her nominated. Several more say they will vote for her if she wins the primaries, but they don't plan to do anything to help her win other than vote.

I know there is a vocal handful on this board who support her, but they are but a handful.

Which has been my complaint all along about these polls. Who are the media-sponsored pollsters polling? Certainly no one I know. And certainly no one many DUers know.

I think it's a farce to drive her down our throats so we nominate the person - Hillary Clinton - least likely to beat whatever Satan-spawn the Republicans nominate.

[sojourner]

38. that accords with my opinion as well.

[KharmaTrain]

19. AOL Message Boards Are Wild...

I used to play around with them ages ago and I still pop in now and then. It's its own Freeper heaven...with some of the most biggoted posters I've ever seen. Nothing unites these neandertals more is a good case of Clenis/Hillary hate. I recall one forum that had the Clennis responsible for operating death squads, drug trafficking and other BFEE activites...

:rofl:

I'm not sure if these boards are open publicly...but they can be quite amusing...making Freeperland look almost "respectable".

Overall, I'm starting to become amused with all the Hillary noise. It's a silly game considering how far out things are from 2008. Not many people had heard of Jimmy Carter...including Democrats, at this point in 1973 and I remember the '92 nomination all but being given to Mario Cuomo in '92. Oh well, I guess we all need a hobby.

[MellowOne]

21. There's no way I'd vote for her

She's too weak, she hasn't spoken out on key issues as others.

[leveymg]

27. Activists on both sides strongly dislike her.

This isn't the first poll (if you want to call it that) to show this. That means she doesn't have much depth of support within her own Party, but is able to rally the opposition. Not a good formula for success in 2008, if you ask me.

[mtnsnake]

29. hahaha, 33% is a HIGH number & tells me she's got it wrapped up

When you've got 33% of the people saying they'd vote for her, that's a monumental number, considering the following. Let's just say that 50% of the people who partook in the poll were Democrats. Of those people a vast majority of them (33%) said they would vote for her, and that's saying something, considering how she might not even be their favorite candidate.

Oh but let's DU this poll to make her look bad.

[Clark2008]

32. How 'bout we just tell the truth.

I wouldn't vote for her.

[Sparkman]

45. Math confuses me: IF 100 peopleTotal, & 50=Dems, only 33 support Hill?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. I don't vote for Republicans. Even those with a (D) after their name.

Hillary qualifies as one of them.

[converted_democrat]

35. I feel the same! n/t

[ultraist]

36. Recent Zogby poll still shows Hillary way out front with Democrats

The numbers aren't out yet, but McCain is showing he could win over Hillary.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1050

"In a McCain-Clinton presidential face-off, McCain wins easily, 52% to 37%, with 11% either unsure or favoring another candidate."

Edwards is coming out as the biggest threat to Hillary among Dems, in the number two slot:

"While it is very early in the 2008 presidential sweepstakes, the poll shows Sens. McCain and Clinton ahead in primary match-ups against others. McCain narrowly leads former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice among Republicans, while Clinton laps the Democratic Party field, more than doubling the support of second-place John Edwards, the former senator from North Carolina"

[yurbud]

42. I would only vote for her if it came to her or Santorum, Frist, etc.

[yurbud]

43. Ironically, her grovelling for righties deprives her of support from left

She could easily get the same kind of support her husband did, but is instead hitting notes more like Lieberman than Bill, when in fact the times require someone MORE not less unapologetically progressive.

[DaveColorado]

48. Probably because half the dems and liberals are voting against her too

nt

[Walt Starr]

49. There's one word to describe Hillary

Unelectable.

[triguy46]

51. I like her tons...

but would scream if she got the nomination. She is just too disliked, it wouldn't cause knee jerks, but grand mal siezures. I think I want to try winning the white house as an option rather than losing to make a point.