I am almost embarrassed to be a Catholic!

[mtnsnake]

Not really, because I haven't practiced that religion since I figured things out for myself years ago, so I don't really associate with them, but WTF is wrong with these people (Not all of them, just the many of them who raised Bush's ratings last week)? I've always thought that the Catholic religion (which BTW is the one that I inherited unfortunately), was pretty sad, but never did I think that the Catholic types I grew up with would be such conservative lame-asses in SOME instances!

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe the Catholics are no worse than any other denomination when it comes to their views on Bush, but it's just that I always thought they would take the lead in liberal thinking when it came to politics, being how they always preach about sinning and all, and how you'll go to hell just for one mortal sin....or to purgatory for a couple centuries if you have just a couple venial sins on your record. "Well, son, you wacked off twice this week, so you're gonna be punished in purgatory for 175 years if you die before repenting those sins". Bush, OTOH, can murder a hundred thousand people and go straight to heaven, though.

Anyway, on to the article....

Bush ratings boosted by rising support from men, whites, Catholics as he shifts into campaign mode

By: WILL LESTER - Associated Press

snip:
" WASHINGTON -- President Bush's improved standing with whites, men, Catholics and other core supporters has been a key factor in pushing his job approval rating up to 42 percent. That's the highest level since summer.

Catholics' approval went from 32 percent to 41 percent. In the Northeast, Bush's support grew from 27 to 41 percent, and in the West from 34 to 42 percent."

full article at: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/12/10/news/politics/15_29_0312_9_05.txt

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I think it is one issue policy

I have Catholic friends who have literally voted against their own interests because Bush is "right to life".

[lupita]

2. well, I *AM* embarrassed to be Catholic

Join the club.
I am considering the Unitarian Church.

[soothsayer]

3. Not THIS Catholic. I still hate his guts! So does God.

BUT...us Catholics are supposedly comfortable with secrecy, don't need to see the details for ourselves (thus we do not read the bible---let others interpret it and tell us), which is why we are overrepresented in the intelligence agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.) as we can work compartmentalized.

[nini]

4. Catholics are no different than any other group

some are stupid as hell and some actually get it.


Speaking for the Catholics I know - they get it and detest Bush and his policies.

[mtnsnake]

10. Yeah, I think you're right

I have to admit that I'm just picking on "my" religion, but it still upsets me that Catholics are responsible, according to this article, of boosting the chimp's ratings. Then again, that poll shows that those same cahtolics, the ones who are rating him up to 41%, had the chimp rated at 32%, so at least they were right for a while!

[Warpy]

15. Catholics are taught two very great things

First, that god speaks in a still, small voice, to go to the quiet place within themselves and listen. In other words, they're taught to go with their guts on everything, which is why so many are sensible when it comes to rejecting Rome's silly position on birth control.

Second, that economic justice and charity toward the poor are mandatory, since it was the poor that Jesus most favored.

They tend to be a whole lot more liberal than their Protestant counterparts on a variety of issues. Then the GOP discovered the abortion issue...

[nini]

16. I know Catholics that are against abortion but still vote Dem

because they know in the overall picture that one issue doesn't outweigh everything else - like helping the poor, not bombing the crap out of innocent people etc.. Those idiots that vote on one issue are beyond stupid.

[hedgehog]

18. Which makes me wonder

just who are the "Catholics" who answer these polls?

[nini]

20. The Scalia fascist types

the Opus Dei crowd is beyond scary.

[ananda]

5. Oh, go ahead and be..

.. utterly embarrassed. lol

ananda

[Vinnie From Indy]

6. They are lying to you about Smirky's popularity

Again, the corporate media has proven conclusively that they will lie for Smirky and they have NOT altered this position. Lies, ommissions, attacks, framing, spin and a host of other techniques are being used in a desperate attempt to bolster the boy king by the MSM.

[KamaAina]

7. What on Earth is an "AP-Ipsos poll"?

Shifting into campaign mode to reverse his slide in public opinion polls, Bush has boosted his support among key constituency groups -- particularly in the Northeast and West -- on his handling of Iraq and the economy, an AP-Ipsos poll found.

I've never heard of an "Ipsos poll". Can it be it's just another RW spin factory like Gallup or Rasmussen?

[TahitiNut]

17. Ipsos-Reid is actually fairly balanced as polling firms go.

However, when the pollsters 'partner' with the news organizations they're composing the questions with the 'help' of those sponsoring organizations.

http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/bushindexprobushtable.htm

[Beelzebud]

8. Almost? What would it take?

[bkcc]

11. LOL. You beat me to it.

I was about to type a nearly identical post.

[mtnsnake]

12. I only said "almost" because I don't consider myself part of that religion

anymore, or any organized religion, so I can't honestly be embarrassed by them. If I was a devout catholic, OTOH, I wouldn't have said "almost" because then I WOULD have been embarrassed. But I'm not, so I aint. ;)

[ET Awful]

9. I'm still trying to get past dioces that say to deny communion to

someone who supports the right to choose, but not to someone who supports the death penalty, both of which the Vatican denounces.

[sandnsea]

19. It's more than that

It's deny communion to Democrats who support the right to choose, and ignore Republicans like Giuliani and Snowe and Ahnold, and don't even say a peep about the death penalty. Last year was the final straw for me, over the top.

[meow2u3]

23. These bishops are Repuke first, Catholic a distant second

Their ultimate goal is to deny Communion to all Democrats. AFAIC, this amounts to spiritual/political extortion, and I think these bishops ought to be exposed as such.

[hedgehog]

13. It all depends on what "Catholic" means

Is it someone who is in the pew every Sunday? Does it include someone who just shows up when there's a Baptism or 1st Communion in the family? There's no way to tell from the self identification as Catholic how well versed the respondent is in current Catholic teachings.

[hedgehog]

14. Although on the other hand

I have often commented to my children that I wonder if the bishops themselves ever actually listen to the Gospels that are read each Sunday at Mass!

[question everything]

21. And then there is always the pedophile priest

http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/06/15/features-arellano.php

[DaveColorado]

22. I was raised Catholic, but thankfully came to my senses

It took the priest abuse scandal for the rest of my family to come around.

I have talked to many young people my age (late teens to mid-twenties) and many of them that were raised Catholic feel the same way I do about the corruption and hypocrisy of the Vatican, the Pope, etc. The CC is going to have some serious problems down the line if they continue losing the support of young people.

Check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5606543

They are using the Catholic Church I used to attend as a child as a staging ground.

Makes me sick.


And btw, I am pretty far from being an athiest. I believe we are part of a greater consciousness.