Overheard banter from BFEE loyalists.

[blm]

Some of you members of longtime status here are aware that I have a few BFEE loyalists in my family. Two b-i-l's who are hotshots in the energy biz investment world and another who is big in the paper industry.

I haven't posted much the last couple days due to a death in the family. Unfortunately, it gave me an opportunity to overhear a few things.

They have been sending money consistently to the Dean campaign since March and so have others they know. They keep it in smaller donor amounts so it doesn't draw attention and have also done so through their adult children. Not hard, since they are College Republicans, too, and one is set to work in the drug industry through family connex.

They shut up when they noticed me because they won't engage me in political discussion, but, one of my liberal nieces told me they assume I'm a Dean supporter because of my hatred for Bush and my "Hollywood connections"...... Hahah....as if.

What I connect from the March timeframe is that is when Tom Delay made his remark about media attention for Dean pulling the Dem field further left, so he would do whatever he can to promote it. Of course, that goes with the media meme that Dean is an "ultra-liberal" and "antiwar" to make that case.

The GOP has Democrats nailed. They know EXACTLY how to pull the strings needed in the corporate media to get their desired results.

[TLM]

1. And republicans giving Dean money is a bad thing... because?

Yeah that will show Dean... I'll just give him money. That'll surely wreck the democrats campaign. Nothing trips up a campaign like lots of money.


"Of course, that goes with the media meme that Dean is an "ultra-liberal" and "antiwar" to make that case."

It was Kerry's DLC that put that meme out there, and as yet I've not seen Kerry take any issue with what the DLC said about DEan being a leftist wacko and dem activists not being real democrats.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. Dean has raised money the way Republicans usually do - think about it

Dean has excelled in individual, "hard money" donations - the kind of donations that Republicans always significantly outraise Democrats with. If the GOP really is funding Dean's campaign, it makes sense that that's the way they would do it.

"Kerry's DLC"? Oh, come on! And don't we know it, Dean is not a left winger at all.

[blm]

37. I don't think they gave expecting him to bring in so much more.

They gave early to make sure he divided the party. After all, it was Dean who said that he represented the Dem wing of the Dem party with its natural implication that all others are too Republican.

Blame the DLC all you want, but, Dean is the one who started pretending first that he was something he wasn't. After all when you go around saying that Kerry and Gephardt are "Bushlite" with THEIR longtime liberal records, what are reasonable or casual voters supposed to assume about that candidate who claims he's to their left?

[arewethereyet]

50. where does the money come from once he's nominated ?

this is chump change so far.

wise up people this is surprizingly good intellegence and not just a little bit scary.

[el_gato]

2. so are you saying

they actually support dean or they want him to be the nominee
because they think they can beat him?

[Terwilliger]

5. I think that's the desperation sentiment

from the way I look at it

[Zero Gravitas]

7. that seems to be the case

it also shows that they are concerned that their "Popular Leader" Bush* is vulnerable to a main-stream candidate who appear to be at least marginaly competant, so they are supporting the oposition candidate who they think is the most "extreme".

[blm]

46. They are pure BFEE. They hate Democrats

and assumed that I was supporting Dean based on the perception that he's a lefty. The point is the political manipulation and how they are doing it with lower donations.

[xJlM]

3. I've suspected this for some time

We are pretty much screwed, as a party as well as a nation.

[gun_toting_liberal]

4. suuuuuure

just think how stupid they'll feel when Dean wins. Good Republican's supplying $$ to the Democratic frontrunner. I love it. I guess it's not just the low income Republican's that don't know how to support their

[AP]

13. stupid like they felt in 2000?

?

[blm]

53. They started last March.

Or didn't you read that part? I am quite certain they are done sending money now that it appears that they have their nominee.

You do realize that Gray Davis manipulated who his opponent would be, and so did Jeb Bush. You think this is a NEW campaign tactic? Nope...the internet push for money just made it easier.

[chimpymustgo]

6. blm, thanks for sharing that. It makes a lot of things add up.

Rove, Delay, et.al. never sleep, folks. The plan is in full swing.

Think about it this way - could you IMAGINE rethugs sending money to Gen Clark because they WANT to face him? Or Edwards or Kerry? They really really do want Dean - and I can see why.

BTW, sorry about the death in your family.

[blm]

39. Yeah...and to think they assumed I was a Dean supporter

shows how little they understand about me and my commitment to real liberal values.

They believed the press that Dean was WAY left and assumed that would be who I would support.

Sheesh. Typical.

[moz4prez]

8. this party will self-destruct in 3...2...1 year

[HereSince1628]

9. We don't need Republican votes, but we'll take their money

This is the old vote twice mentality. We get to relive one or another version of this everytime there is a primary election.

Frankly, people who claim to be Democrats don't want Bush to have another 4 years, and the majority of people who claim to be independents don't want Bush to be president, though men and women independents differ.

I could care less that the Republicans think they have some nifty version of the vote twice scam. Every buck they send is a buck we can spend against them.

[Gin]

14. As a Dean for America supporter.....thank your family for me....for

contributing to his campaign. Every dollar helps to defeat that thug in our white house.

[unfrigginreal]

24. LOL

:yourock:

[janx]

51. I couldn't care less either.

And I'm dealing with about the same time frame as your screen name.

Bush, unfortunately, is a perverted child of the same time period.

We're kicking him out.

[bpilgrim]

56. we will 'take' everything they give

and say THANK YOU and smile all the way to the BANK and then to the PRESIDENCY :bounce:

peace

[madfloridian]

10. Some info on Dean from opponents' blog.

10 pages of Dean at Kerry blog

Not all are really negative, some are asking for restraint in the attacks.

Why not focus on your candidate's good points.

[sandnsea]

17. A former Deanie

The Kerry blog has a "former Deanie" who is obssessed with posting anti-Dean stuff. Every post he's made has dealt with Dean, every one. I've been suspicious of the guy's motives from the beginning because no matter what the topic, he always trys to get it back to bashing Dean. And you know it has to be bad when *I* think someone is over the top against Dean.

[madfloridian]

18. I think a lot of them at the Clark and Kerry and Dean blogs are plants.

But it still looks bad. There is one person there who thinks the Kerry campaign needs to do nothing but negative on Dean from here on. Others try to reasonable.

[sandnsea]

31. Well it's not me

I've always been for a sort of 30/70 mix, 30 "negative" and 70 positive. Negative being trying to point out some of the things about what he's done that don't match what he says today. I don't know what causes people to get all worked up over ridiculous things like back x-rays when his health plan has ran red ink for a long time, if not always. It's been bailed out by the surpluses from taxes in other areas and that's no way to introduce a new health plan to America or balance a budget.

[Patriot_Spear]

11. Thanks for the donation...

Stupid, but thanks.

[moz4prez]

12. get outta heuh!

you with your crackpot conspiracy theories

:crazy:

[JNelson6563]

15. useful idiots

Hey, at least they aren't completely useless BFFE drones.

Julie--always looking on the bright side :hi:

[madfloridian]

16. Well, I guess we have been real fools, Dean people.

We better get out and spread the word quickly. ;)

[HFishbine]

20. Relatives full of crap?

You can quickly confirm to whom your relatives have been making campaign contributions here:

http://www.tray.com/cgi-win/indexhtml.exe?MBF=NAME

Let us know...

[Scott Lee]

21. What a surprise. More antiDean flamebait!

Anecdotal fairytales with no supporting evidence or citations. "I have a family member who...." Yeah, well I have Bigfoot staying in my garage.

I wonder how many more iterations of this "GOP supports Dean" urban myth are out there? Not to fear, DUers. The ADJHS knows them all, and we are fortunate to get the whole series free of the usual Pay-Per-View charge.

[moz4prez]

22. you have Hollywood connexions?

please spill!

[sweetheart]

23. It is no suprise

Though dean has whipped up the viet-nam protestor sorta hostility at the establishment, he by the very action is permanently distancing himself from it.

No wonder they support him. That is why i DO NOT support him in his stunt. He is a republican dividing the democratic party for a future job in the next bush administration as say head of the EPA.

The primary is where we decide what the party is going to stand for in the general election, and i hope that everything said by all candidates in this period WILL BE FORGOTTEN come the runoff, and that if victorious Mr. Dean completely transform his foolish divisive attacks on the very establishment he intends to lead... as even if he wins the presidency, the congress will be republican, and he will have to eat his stupid divisiveness every meeting with lawmakers.

I don't think he'll win the runoff if selected, no matter what money... nor do i expect dennis to either... rather the serious candidates kerry and clark are the ticket to winning the election... but the dean people remind me of the nader people from teh last election not seeing the harm of the divisive approach until we all have to pay for it.

[alfredo]

25. In the primaries Dems play to the left activist, in the general, they

move to the center.

All bets are off after the convention.

My feeling is that there will be a lot of Republicans sitting this election out.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. Interesting anecdote blm

at 77 bucks a shot I assume a lot of donations are coming in at 50, 60, and 100 dollar amounts. From what I know, a lot are repeat donors who keep feeding money in increments. There are definitely Republicans contributing to Dean, it'd be nice to see the actual amounts.

[ursacorwin]

28. blm has said things before that i don't agree with

but i'm going to assume s/he's not a liar, and here's my take on your story.

you say that they shut up when you come around, bad hollywood liberal that you are (LOL!). could it be that they don't want to encounter any more of your logic? that they are victims in the worst way, and are only now coming to understand that the Official Party Line is nothing but CRAP? that in fact, Dean is a guy they could love, all fiscal conservative and gun rights supporter that he is?

perhaps what they felt was shame. shame that you had been proven right, and that they really can think and act for themselves. perhaps they didn't want you to point this out to them, as i know you've done in the past. perhaps they are so used to nonstop lies that they are now lying to themselves, pretending to do Rove's dirty work but in fact subconsciously hedging their bets, and going with the guy who's not only going to win, but help them get back the portfolio's of the clinton days.

just a thought.

[blm]

44. Two of them are the kind who partake in the manipulating

by the BFEE. The other just fell into a full fundie mode after a heart attack. So weird.

They aren't the types to have heard anything that was actually said. They have their agenda and don't hear dissent. So, the instant reaction is to smirk and call me the commie or the Hollywood liberal. Heh...5 years out of LA and they still haven't come up with anything new.

[LuminousX]

69. ROFL

Paul Simon, Al Gore ... these guys are easily duped.

[dajabr]

27. And then one time, at band camp...

:crazy:

[Octafish]

52. Good one.

Way to use your gifts to express your innerviews. Funny, making out like someone is crazy sounds the same as the people blm writes about are like.

Then again, what should I expect? Just like your horse Dean, a man totally devoid of Democratic values, your post adds zero. Dean dodged the draft then he didn't even bother to protest the war. He went skiing. Character issue presents a problem? Oh, yes.

BTW: blm has added to what we know about the Bush Organized Crime Family. The name James Bath ring any bells for you? Well, either way, you should be nice to blm, because if your guy is the nominee, he's going to need all the help he can get. Especially from smart people like blm.

[blm]

57. Alot of newer posters don't know me, Octafish.

They've only been here since spring or summer. I expected the incredulity. No biggie.

[Octafish]

64. Too bad.

They've no idea. I remember that thread that linked Adnan Khashoggi to Theresa Le Pore. It came out waaaaaay before anything broke in Slate or Salon or whatever it was explaining the who, let alone the how or why. Gee. That was just one of many where DU Beat the Press.

Oh well. With Dean the nominee, we're virtually guaranteed four more years of fun digging up dirt on the BFEE. They've no idea.

[dajabr]

65. I've been here long enough to remember the campaign "moles"

Don't you miss Adam F. Smith?

I sure do...

[dajabr]

68. Zero + 1

I'll just clarify one part of your screed.

While Dean was in Aspen, he worked 16 hour days at 2 jobs (one washing dishes).

Maybe the next time Kerry is at Cipriani dropping $30,000 he'll stop in the back and speak with some of the dishwashers? Hope he doesn't follow your lead and berate them for not serving in his misguided little war in Iraq...

[eissa]

29. What I want to know

is who your "Hollywood connections" are; I promise to switch to Kerry if you introduce me to George Clooney ;-)

[blm]

47. heh...no George Clooney.

He didn't participate in the fundraising events I worked on. Most of the people I worked with were music industry but quite a few of the film and tv folks would jump in.

[K8-EEE]

60. I Walk By George Clooney's House....

every day up at Fryman Canyon! I dig GC!!

Hey I hear he is a reg at Casa Vega!

[denverbill]

30. That's strange. My right-wing relatives are giving to Clark and Kerry.

[Octafish]

32. The Newsweek, TIME, and USN&WR articles said GOP wanted Ho-Ho...

... Remember, these articles had pukes stating they all were sending money to Dean. By sending in smaller amounts, their names didn't have to be reported to the election watch-dog databases, either.

So why Dean? The GOP figures they can blow him out of the water — Big Time. Their thinking is Dean is a fatally flawed candidate.

How's that? The GOP book on Dean is he's a draft dodger. Joe Trippi can spin it from now until election day, but the truth is Dean showed up with a note and an X-ray and said just the right things to get a deferment and then celebrated by skiing the moguls that same winter.

Coward Dean is Coward Dean. No matter how many bats Trippi sticks up on his website, that's a killer label in the general election.

[Malva Zebrina]

33. which can be effectively countered by the AWOL record of Bush

if anyone cares to step into that forbidden territory. And to make it worse or I should say, better, Bush lied about his alleged service. We have testimony that points out how the records of Bush's so called "service" were expunged--in order to comply with the lies he told in his biography. That also can be brought up, if anyone has the nerve to actually confront him on it. Bush has a lot of slime in his background. Somehow I get the impression that Dean is enough of a fighter to be able to do as much confronting, dealing, posturing and arm twisting as Bush is able to lie.

[tom_paine]

34. But that is where the Orwellian Double-Standard stops everything

Yes, in a Free Country with a Free Press, that would indeed be the case.

But Imperial Amerika is neither, has neither (technically, though life for the "little people" is still largely undisturbed as yet as the Busheviks are still taking care of things "at the top").

The Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media and the Corporate TV Pravda that craven dances to it's tune will give us 100% "Coward Dean" and 0% mention of Bush's AWOL.

Count on it.

[Gloria]

35. Yeah, Dean can counter...but if only if the press allows it.....and

if he has to buy air time, how much you want to bet that the networks will deny him the time if he "smears" the reputation of our beloved "President"???

[Octafish]

38. Bush is the crookedest crook to occupy the Oval Office since his Pa.

And his Pa was the worst since Reagan. And Reagan was the worst since Nixon. Which is the foulest is a matter for a higher power than me to decide.

The thing is these evil GOP so-and-sos own the media and put out the agenda of what makes "news." They will control the story lines that see the light of day. Remember in Selection 2000, it was all hail glorious Bush returning honor and dignity to the Oval Office, don't let the facts of who got the most votes nationwide or in Floriday stand in the way. Who remembers the news consortium that counted the legal overvotes and found Gore won Florida in almost every way possible? Not many do because the NYT, TIME, ABCNNBCBSFOX put the story out 24/7 that Bush won.

The media, likewise, will forget Bush's criminal negligence (at best) in 9-11, his every greased deal, his every broken promise to portray his lightweight self int he best possible light. Should Dean be our nominee, he'll get the Treatment. That means every pecadillo, sin of omission, and fault will be amplified 1,000-fold.

When it comes to most Democrats, including me, Dean's flaws can be forgiven. When it comes to the vast American middle who will decide the election, they will remember the negative stuff. And with Dean, going skiing instead of to Basic Training is a character flaw, not a medical issue.

[HFishbine]

40. Voters disagree with Octafish/Dean best to beat Bush

The surveys in Iowa and New Hampshire show that Dean supporters there do not harbor doubts about former governor's ability to defeat Bush. Rather, it is emerging as a strong suit. Roughly a third of likely voters in Iowa and New Hampshire say Dean has the best chance of beating Bush next November, far more than say that about any other Democrat. In addition, Dean tends to run stronger among those who place a greater priority on defeating Bush than on nominating a candidate who agrees with them on the issues.


http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=198

[Octafish]

42. One-third of the voters said Dean. Two-thirds think like Octafish.

Roughly a third. About one in three. A third agree with you, Fishbine.

That means two-thirds of DEMs think somebody other than Dean can win. Roughly two in three. Two thirds agree with me — some DEM other than Dean.

PS: Surveys and stats don't matter. Votes do. Let's see how people vote when they discover Dean went skiing after he got a deferment.

[bpilgrim]

63. he's got the AWOL anidote to that issue

and he's got PLENTY 'issues' were that came from ;->

thank GORE he 'invented' the internet :bounce:

peace

[RainDog]

36. Good. Let them give him money

Because the Repukes do not have Democrats nailed.

First of all, my condolences for the death in your family.

blm, I know you totally support Kerry, and I've always thought so highly of you, but this post...

just doesn't seem worthy of your intelligence.

Dean has made history with his grass roots campaign, and it hasn't all been from people like your in laws, I know.

If Dean is the candidate, I will support him 100%.

Same for Kerry.

People in this country are not happy with Bush, at least the majority that I've run across.

The ONLY people I've heard say anything pro-Bush has been a helmet-haired church lady and a frat boy who backed off when someone said...go sign up if you think the invasion is a good thing...

and whacked out freeper types with God Hates you Just the Way you Are.

I do realize there are other Bush supporters, but I think the repukes are fooling themselves and you if they and you think Dean can not carry this country in an honest race.

That's the biggest issue, to me.

whether or not this will be an honest race.

Again, if your family members want to contribute to Dean, I'm all for it. Let them dig their own graves and I'll be happy to kick them in with my vote.

[blm]

43. Then you don't get it, RainDog, and you know how much I like you

so don't take this the wrong way. 'kay?

It doesn't matter that I think Kerry would be the best president, I also happen to support Kucinich with equal $$$ amounts, and I have always supported the candidacies of the other candidates. I have been very fair.

My posts against Dean are against his politics which are way too centrist for me, his past record, which is WAY too compromising and friendly with the GOP and Libertarians for me, and his use of deceptive rhetoric to paint himself as a populist when his record shows the falsity of that claim.

There are some of us who see real danger down the road for the entire Dem party, and have very healthy suspicions in regard to Dean. You can discount it if you like, but I have always been dead serious about the BFEE and its intentions, and I have a good idea of what they are capable of doing.

Money will not even matter, because they can access a billion dollars if they see the need. We needed a candidate that could withstand intense SCRUTINY with strong principles and a record to back it up.

Now, we may end up with the weakest character, the weakest policies, and the most shifting principles imaginable for a Democratic candidate.

[dpbrown]

41. I think running a "centrist" will make it a VERY tight race

I've been trying to show that, especially lately, by looking at the 2000 election numbers.

To Dean people who want to find bitterness in that, it's not there.

I looked at and made my analysis of the 2000 election and rise of progressive power long before Dean got Gore.

[killbotfactory]

45. A fool and his money are easily parted

They have no idea what they're going to be up against.

Bring 'em on.

[alcuno]

49. Excellent retort!

If we follow this line of logic, the more popular Dean becomes the more money they will give him. I hope they choke on it.

[Capn Sunshine]

48. Sounds a lot like Republicans for Clinton

a group of Fund managers and bankers in L.A. in 92.

Frankly, your story is quite unbelieveable, but what,if true, should we send the money back?

There's a long way to go friends, this sort of BFEE is for Dean talk is just that:Talk.

I guess your pals/relatives sent a bunch of $$ to MOveon too? Beacause they want to discredit the liberals?

[blm]

55. Suit yourself. Some people here know me enough to know the truth

so I could care less what anyone else thinks. I didn't expect many to believe it and posted what happened anyway.

[bpilgrim]

61. thanks for sharing blm

i appreciate it and i can add to your PE stories up here in CONSERVATIVE NH and some of my conservative friends ain't too happy.

one my neighbor who was all gung-ho with bush - even though he voted mcain in the primaries - but when he found out bush lied for war he was PISSED.

another... my conservative boss with strong ties to our repug gov is pissed... for him it is all about $$$ and the lack of it in his investments... said he wants clinton back :evilgrin:

:hi:

peace

on edit:

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:evilgrin:

[dsc]

70. Why no names then?

After all they had to give them publicly to do the donation so why not give them to us so we can see for our selves? You never, ever provide any links for any charges no matter how often you are asked. That is your record.

[bpilgrim]

54. this is what SCARES the CRAP out of rove, bet!

thanks for sharing :toast:

peace

[Eloriel]

58. Condolences on the death in the family, blm n/t

[Nazgul35]

59. I am shocked, shocked I tell you...

to find a desperate attempt to undermine the Dean campaign on hearsay and inuendo on the very day that Gore endorses him....

Wow BLM.....it's a good thing you just discovered this nefarious plot by the GOP to destroy the Dem Party from within!

Please just stop while you have anything resmebling respect and dignity left...this has passed from annoying to shere silliness...

If everything you say is true...how sad that the most successful Dem candidate is a repug plant....under those conditions we deserve to lose....

please feel free to nit-pick and ignore at will...

[bpilgrim]

62. Doh!

i though blm was talking about moderates switching over to 'our' side :evilgrin:

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:hi:

peace

[dsc]

66. I am frankly sick to death

of you posting crap with out links. Here is your record.

You claimed Gary Hart said Dean was "unfit to be President due to a lack of foreign policy experience". When asked for a link you claimed that a)you had provided one and I had responded that turned out to be false. Then you claimed b) the article had been scrubbed by the BFEE I then found a place where you could get the scrubbed article for 2 bucks. To this day you have yet to provide any link of Gary Hart uttering those words.

You claimed Dean had endorsed Jim Jeffords. I asked for a link. I got none you told me it would pop up. I asked which of his 4 Senate races you were referring to. Still no answer. Status still no link.

You claimed Molly Ivins said Bush would be harmless. I asked for a link. I got excuses. Status still no link.

I could go on and on and on some more of claims made by you that when checked out turned out to be exaggerated at best and false at worst. You never provide links for your various conspiracy theories. BTW I notice you provided not one name here for us to look up on FEC reports. Yet we should trust this given your record. I think not.

[Guaranteed]

67. They don't KNOW Dean.

We'll take their money, but their opinions are pretty worthless.

[stickdog]

71. So you are reduced to this.

It's pathetic.

Read the writing on the wall.

It says, "Kerry lost when he sold his soul on the Iraq vote."

So who are you going to support now?

I hear DK is looking for a few good volunteers.

[babzilla]

72. Why don't they know that you are a Kerry supporter?

Why does your hatred of Bush lead them to assume that you support Dean? Even if you don't engage in political discussion, I would think that your enthusiasm for Kerry would have been revealed by now.

"They keep it in smaller donor amounts so it doesn't draw attention and have also done so through their adult children".

Who's attention are they worried about? Who's attention would be drawn with larger donor amounts? If anyone is going to the trouble of checking who is donating for whom, the dollar amount doesn't really matter.

Perhaps the BFEE loyalists in your family are merely trying to mock you with their claims of financial support if they assume that you support Dean. Perhaps they really do know that you are a Kerry supporter and are succeeding in pushing your buttons.

This anecdote does not convince me that "The GOP has democrats nailed", far from it.