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mot78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 07:51 PM
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Dems Need to Have Davis Replacement Just In Case...
The general public in California need to know that just because they don't like Davis, doesn't mean they have to vote Repuke. Can someone here notify the DNC that they can run Davis and have a replacement, since the Recall and Replacement questions are technically two seperate issues.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 07:57 PM
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1. That's not entirely correct
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 07:58 PM by Terwilliger
any Democrat that runs against Davis is a sign from the state party (possibly national) that they're afraid Davis might lose. The political fallout from that would guarantee a YES vote on the recall. If Dems unify behind Davis and don't offer anyone, then the state sees that Davis is the one to vote FOR by voting NO.

Still a game of Russian Roulette, though.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:02 PM
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4. I disagree with that strategy
See my post below.

The problem is, what if we can't quite get enough people to vote no on the recall, but we have enough people to win the election, but we don't offer the Democrats anyone to vote on, we will lose when we could have won.

We need 51% of the people to vote NO, to keep Davis, but we won't need that high of a percentage to win the election. The Republicans are going to have several high profile candidates, so we need to have one high profile candidate who all Democrats can vote for when they vote NO on the recall.

It will require education though advertising, to ask people to vote NO, but also pick the Democrat on the ticket, but it's the best strategy.

Not having any Democrat on the ticket, when we are going to have so may Democratic voters turn out, many of whom don't like Davis, is probably suicide.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 07:57 PM
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2. It's much more important than that
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 07:58 PM by Democat
The Democrats must have a replacement on the ballot because we could have 49% of the people vote "NO" on the recall, but still have a Republican win the election with 7% of the vote.

Why not have a Democrat on the ballot, and educate people with advertising that they need to vote NO, but also pick the Democrat on the ballot as insurance.

If we go into this without a backup on the ballot, then we could have 49% of the people vote our way, and still lose the election, even though the most popular of the Republicans only gets 7% of the vote.

If we give voters a Democrat to vote on even if they vote NO on the recall, then we can with both ways. If we don't have a Democrat to vote on when people vote NO, they we are possibly giving the state away to the Republicans.

Here are some questions and answers to how the recall will work:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/27/MN55660.DTL

There must be a popular Democrat on the ballot for the people who vote NO RECALL to be able to also vote for.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:01 PM
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3. because you're asking them to vote NO and keep Davis saying...
but here's ANOTHER Democrat in case enough people vote YES.

It's not really a good political move.

At the same time, there are very few choices for Dems. They may be forced to run another Democrat.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 08:04 PM
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5. It's the only move that makes sense
We can't waste every Democrat vote that comes out to the polls gambling that we might be able to get 51% to keep Davis.

To win the election, depending on who runs on the Republican side, we may only need 20% of the vote for the Democrat.

Would you rather try to get 20% of the vote and win or 51% and win?

The bottom line is that we need to win this election no matter what.

If Bush controls California during the 2004 election, we are going to be screwed.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:13 PM
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6. Any other opinions on this?
The strategy that Democrats choose now in California may change the outcome of the 2004 presidential campaign. Should we have someone on the ticket in case people decide to recall Davis, or not?
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oceanpoetry Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-27-03 10:40 PM
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7. the replacement is the Lt. Governor
Edited on Sun Jul-27-03 10:42 PM by oceanpoetry
if David would resign, Lt. Governor would become Governor and there would be no recall election. But now we have got Gov. Davis defending his governship against Issa (convicted criminal) and Schwarzenegger. Davis is widely unpopular and it would be better if he step down now, because I think this recall election is going to be nasty.

edit: Democat, enough signatures have already been collected for the recall election.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 01:15 AM
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8. It is too late for Davis to resign
According to the latest articles I've read, even if Davis resigned today, the recall would be held.

The idea of Davis resigning is not a valid one anymore.

We need a strategy that gives us the best chance of keeping California, with or without Davis. I don't think that having no Democrat on the ticket is the best way to go about this.
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